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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: We stated at the very beginning that because of the time pressure we are under we would take this particular topic first and that is what we are doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No. I would ask Deputies to consider that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Yes, there is, but we will deal with that in due course. I will come back to the Deputy. I call Deputy Durkan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No, we should move on to Senator Sherlock.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No, because we are short of time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Will the Minister quickly comment on the personal note sent to him from Mr. Watt which states: "I understand that you want to advertise the Sec Gen D/Health role as a 'TLAC' competition. Please see booklet attached and, in particular, the section on terms and conditions." What was the relevance of that note?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: In that note, is Mr. Watt pointing out that the salary was not included in the document? I do not understand the reason he would have pointed the Minister to the particular section on terms and conditions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: On the Secretaries General, there seem to be three levels - 1, 2 and 3. Is that correct? Mr. Moloney can respond if he wishes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: The salary for level 1 is the same as the salary for level 2.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: How many Secretaries General are on levels 1, 2 and 3, respectively?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: In that case, I presume the new Secretary General of the Department of Health, whoever he or she may be, will be reporting to someone who is more senior but on a far lower salary.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: They are all on a lower salary.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: All of these people will be on a lower salary than the new Secretary General of the Department of Health.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: How does Mr. Moloney think the other 19 Secretaries General might view this? Might a number of them say, "Hang on now; I am worth it and I should get the increase of €80,000"? Will many of them be having that conversation among themselves at this point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: No. I am asking about their opinions on what is going on. I will leave it at that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: I remind the Deputy of his time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: The Deputy must conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: I ask the Deputy to conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: The Deputy will have to finish, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Salary Increase for Position of Secretary General at the Department of Health: Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (2 Feb 2021)

John McGuinness: Deputy Doherty has asked the question. I have no means of cutting him off, so I will have to get a knock-off button for him.

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