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Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: In other words, somebody has come up with the €1.6 billion figure, so Revenue has come up with the 5,000 cases adding up to €1.6 billion. The Tax Appeals Commission cannot come-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Revenue has the figure of what went in and knows the cases that came back out. I accept cases will be withdrawn and perhaps Revenue can have a line in its figures detailing cases withdrawn-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is movement in and out, but I ask Mr. Cody at least to look into the cases that were completed in the year in order that at least somebody has an idea of what happened. We have no idea what happens, really, when a case goes to the Tax Appeals Commission and Mr. Cody is the one with the information. The Tax Appeals Commission do not have that.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: The next question is whether Revenue could consider the following system. Perhaps it might help reduce the flow of cases into appeals if Revenue had something in its notification giving people the right of a review because it is said there is not much of that. Again, in social protection, for example, if someone is not happy with the decision of a deciding officer, he or she can seek a...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: If Revenue had a way of resolving some of the cases internally without the need to go to the Tax Appeals Commission, it might ease the burden. What does Mr. Cody say to that?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Cody gets my proposal. I will raise a different topic. I am looking at Revenue's 2017 accounts of collection. Am I right in saying Revenue is involved in - I will I say it in layman's English - the loans for people in the fair deal scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: For the nursing home support scheme there is €57 million. Did Revenue advance €57 million? Then there are the nursing home support scheme receipts, with the figure of €19 million. Did Revenue collect €19 million? I ask Mr. Cody to explain the two entries because people will probably be surprised to know about this. I am looking at pages 8 and 9 of Revenue's...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We had Nursing Homes Ireland or somebody else in here-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will read it tomorrow. I ask Mr. Cody to give us the gist of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: For a house?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will see it. I am sure we have it. We will get to read it in detail. I have a quick issue which would have come up in the past. Is there a hotline where people report on their spouse or neighbour on these type of issues? It used to be a big thing one time. People used to ring social welfare offices. There was a report done. Perhaps Revenue had a system and it was probably a big...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: What does Mr. Cody mean by drugs and cigarettes? Is it smuggling?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: With their email address? I am sure they do not want that.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Cody know how many good citizen reports Revenue receives in a year?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it hundreds or thousands?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. In other words, it is a minor issue from Revenue's perspective. Are there many joint inspections between Revenue and the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection and-or the Garda with regard to people working while on social welfare, or not working on a job, and road tax with regard to green or red diesel? Are there many joint investigations-----

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 21 - Tax Debt and Write Outs
Chapter 22 - Dormant Accounts Fund
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
2016 and 2017 Revenue Accounts
(28 Jun 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----where Revenue goes onto a site where it believes people are not paying tax or are not properly recorded, or where people might be claiming a payment they should not be claiming? Does Revenue do this type of work?

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