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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: So, the €1.4 billion-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I am looking for the different elements of that. There is the construction cost and then, if we add an additional €55 million for inflation, that brings us-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: That is fine but if BAM has been paid €838 million, the vast bulk of the original price has been paid.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: What percentage of the contract does Mr. Gunning estimate is outstanding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I did not ask Mr. Gunning that. I am asking what element is not completed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Will Mr. Gunning tell us about those other elements of the expenditure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Will Mr. Gunning précis and give us the ballpark figures?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Specifically, what was the original estimated cost for commissioning?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: So, CHI-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Where has that additional €325 million in expenditure gone?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: With regard to the serious concerns there are about all of this, to what extent would this have been different if it had been a private client? What are the key elements of public contracts that have greatly hindered this project in coming in on time and on budget?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: In the two minutes that are left, will Mr. Gunning tell me the top three?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I am sorry; I did not ask that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I am sorry; I have two minutes left. I asked Mr. Gunning for his opinion. Given his experience with this project over recent years, what does he believe are the three main areas that are problematic from the point of view of how public contracts are awarded?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Is Mr. Gunning going to answer the question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: That is extraordinary. We are not going to learn any lessons unless we are prepared to set out the problems.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I know what the board's job is but I am also asking Mr. Gunning, based on his experience, what the problem areas with public contracts are.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Mr. Gunning is not prepared to answer it, however.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I do not believe that is a reasonable position to adopt.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Do I have some time left, a Chathaoirligh?

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