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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What did the Department estimate was required? I have very limited time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. McCarthy have an estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Just give me some estimate. I have very limited time. I really do not need a-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I have asked a very specific question. Is there a response relating to what the Department projected was required? We know it has 135 staff. What did it project was going to be required?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I have ten minutes and that very short question I asked Mr. McCarthy has taken a third of that time without getting a reply. Essentially, the Red Cross was relied on very heavily. In fact, there has been quite a lot of criticism about people not being followed up. That was to be where quite a sizable amount of accommodation would be provided and, even now, we are hearing from people. On...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Can the Department give us a note on that please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I do not want to pursue this any longer because it will take up all my time. Does the Department require the people who are offering accommodation to be tax compliant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Were there any circumstances where that was not the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I might talk to Mr. McCarthy about that separately.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will move on to another topic, that of childcare and, in particular, the sustainability fund. Smaller providers, in particular, are people who are only involved in the early childhood care and education, ECCE, scheme. We hear that quite a lot of providers are teetering on the edge, especially the smaller providers who are uniquely involved in ECCE. On the Department's case management and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. McCarthy accept that there is a real issue here in relation to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Why is it that people contact us every week saying they are on the edge and are likely to have to close down? It is a very important and vital service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will leave this issue because I will take it up by way of parliamentary questions. It is certainly nothing like what all of us are hearing from smaller providers. We do not want to end up with providers pulling out where there is a necessary service. Last week, Mr. David Moloney, the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, informed us that it offered Tusla...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I appreciate that. How many section 38 and sections 39 organisations does Tusla interact with?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Right. Okay. I thank Mr. Gloster.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: On the capacity, the officials say they are dealing with local authorities. I will take two local authorities. Kerry has been in the news recently and there are a lot of good things happening there. If we look at Kerry and Meath, there are twice as many staff in Kerry as in Meath and there are 100,000 more people in Meath. There are historical reasons the staffing ratios are like that and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is money being provided to the local authorities to employ specific staff in addition to those who are there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The officials may not be able to give this now. The functions in the Department are very different than they were straight after the general election. There has been much more activity in childcare, for example, for which I am thankful. The Department has had a very busy time with the mother and baby homes and then there has been the transfer of the international protection aspect from the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. McCarthy give us a note on what happened-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: -----from the point where the programme for Government was agreed, the functions and how they have been scaled up.

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