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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: That is serious. It comes down to the issue of corporate governance in Waterford Institute of Technology.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: The former president said he would obtain informal approval from the chairman. What is being portrayed - possibly, rightly - is that the previous president was to blame. The question is whether there were wider governance issues. If the former president said he had contacted the chairman and obtained preapproval from the chairman, the least one would expect is that the chairman would have...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Therefore, there was contact.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Is there any suggestion or evidence of misappropriation of funds from the office?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Was the cost reimbursed before or after this issue became public?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: There was an €8,000 contribution to the Waterford Spraoi Festival, a payment of €40,000 to Pauline Bewick to cover expenses incurred in cataloguing the Bewick collection, the purchase of a Bewick painting and so on, and a considerable amount spent on taxis. Did Dr. Neavyn get a taxi here today?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: It is something that has become associated with Waterford Institute of Technology. Dr. Neavyn is confident that none of the money was misappropriated. A considerable amount of money was spent on public relations - approximately €500,000. Is Dr. Neavyn confident that the services for which the institute paid were actually provided?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Does the institute still maintain the services of these public relations companies?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Is Dr. Neavyn satisfied that the institute is tendering because many of the contracts were not put out to tender? Is he confident that all significant contracts are put out to tender?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: I have read either in one of the reports or in the media that the former president is involved in litigation with the institute of technology. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Is the institute defending it?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: I will not go into it because it is probably inappropriate to raise the matter in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: On the issue of staff remuneration and the payment of allowances in excess of those prescribed, the report shows there was a sum of almost €8 million paid to senior university staff in excess remuneration. I will ask Dr. Brady about this as UCD had the highest figure at €3.6 million. At any time was the university aware that it was paying in excess of what it ought to have...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Would it not be the case that if someone took on this extra responsibility, he or she would give up another? For example, if he or she was dean, he or she stopped lecturing to some extent.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Dr. Brady said that for seven years, UCD sought approval for the allowances every year from the HEA and the HEA never clarified the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: From what Dr. Brady has told us, there was definitely a question mark over the allowances. It was not the case that the HEA was not responding. It was saying that the matter needed to be clarified and looked at. It was not sanctioning them. The very fact that the university wrote asking for approval also implies that there was a question mark over their legitimacy at the time. It implies...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: When did the university seek legal advice as to the allowances' legality?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: No one is questioning the roles or has ever said the roles are inappropriate. What is being said is that paying them an allowance without undertaking the role was the issue. So the question of whether they have them in other universities around the world is irrelevant. The fact is that UCD had the roles but decided to remunerate them. It was the fact that they were remunerated that was in...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (27 Sep 2012)

Derek Nolan: Did the university lose any staff as a result of that?

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