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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Would Mr. Mulvany estimate that it is, say, ten people, 1,000 people or 10,000 people? Is there a ballpark?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The HSE has a risk register.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Before the attack, would any or all of this have been on the risk register?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is hard to visualise how it would have been identified as a risk without dealing with the most basic of things, such as, for example, updating a password, antivirus signatures or using the same antivirus product. I would have thought some of those things would be fairly basic, and even Windows 7 would have been a fairly basic point on a risk register.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of confidence, if other things are on the risk register or if the other issues that were identified are pretty basic, I think there is a question mark over the risk register itself and I would have concerns about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: This is going to cost an absolute fortune. It is not just about the financial cost as the actual impact on patients cannot be quantified.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I ask that we are given a note on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: On the €657 million and-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: -----what the staging of that is and what it is for so we can then monitor it in an ongoing way.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is the fine that was mentioned ongoing?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Was it a daily fine?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: In 2021, all revenue generated by bus advertising was taken over by the NTA. Dublin Bus raised approximately €1.6 million in advertising revenue in 2020. I presume this figure will not differ hugely, given only so much advertising space is available. A division within CIÉ manages the contract on behalf of the NTA. It is doing the work, but the money is being taken by the NTA....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I presume that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is kept in the loop on this. Have the Department officials been provided with the business case for the proposed project? Has the external assurance process, required under the public spending code, happened? I think they are called decision gates and it would be quite useful to know what they are. Are we likely to see, for...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: This was before a decision was ever made. They allocated-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: All that money was spent so then you are put in a position of no alternative. This is a separate thing entirely. The question is whether the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform has received the business case for the project.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I would have thought that we set our own agenda. I found the last experience with that Department frustrating because every time we asked questions we were told they were for the Department of Transport or we needed to talk to the Department of Health or some other Department. It was nearly impossible to get responses. I think we decided it for a particular purpose in order to look at...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We had not finished correspondence, had we?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I have a piece of correspondence in and thought I had flagged another one.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (6 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I thought I had flagged No. 1480, and then I had No. 1485.

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