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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Committee of Public Accounts meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to be fair. We are all in the same space. Members should be careful about the language they use and about using the word "lie". It was definitely incorrect but the word "lie" probably implies it was deliberate. Perhaps there is a memory blank.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy did not want to use it. We will not use it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Let us be absolutely fair. We have a conflict-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is a fact. That is our concern. I call Deputies Kelly, Cullinane and Connolly on this topic.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: May I help on that question? My reading of that letter is, in straightforward English,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----is they met to discuss the discrepancy. The SCA had given its official position to us in writing and it is now saying that Mr. Gleeson's understanding was consistent with the agency's record of the call. The agency is now saying, as I interpret it, that Mr. Gleeson is saying the agency was correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We need the State Claims Agency to verify it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is agreed. We will do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will make a decision shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: State organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Resolved.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Jonathan O'Brien. We will bring this to a conclusion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: They keep mixing dates. They do not even say when it happened. They just state-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can agree to that for this day two weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was. In our correspondence the previous week, we were told it was subject to legal privilege because it was taken by the legal team.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I propose the following, bearing in mind that we are starting from the public accounts perspective. We are not investigating everything. Members will have noticed I have included a new paragraph in my opening statement to witnesses in the past month or six weeks. I state specifically that we expect witnesses to answer questions put to them clearly and with candour. As Chairman of the...

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