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Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (11 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Of course, because I am a gracious person. Of course I did.

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (11 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: That is €100 million less than its peers.

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (11 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Because it was the lowest in the country.

Agriculture Appeals (Amendment) Bill 2024: Second Stage (11 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: The main provisions of this Bill relate to the creation of the agriculture appeals review panel, independent from the agriculture appeals office. That is to be welcomed. As the Minister stated, it is part of the programme for Government. It is envisaged that this office would be responsible for undertaking independent review of the decisions of officers of the agriculture appeals office....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I thank the witnesses for their submissions. Will the ESRI elaborate on what it said earlier about 80% of those on low pay or the minimum wage receiving more? Employers are choosing to pay people more. Essentially this affects the employment in the economy at the moment. We are at full employment and probably beyond it. There is quite a lot of difficulty in filling positions. A...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I have spoken to quite a few small employers since the recent round of pay restructuring. Spillover is definitely a feature and it goes right up to people who are due a far higher wage. People peg themselves against what lower paid people are getting in jobs. I wonder where Dr. Redmond's data is from. To ISME, will Ms. McCabe repeat the comments she made about the reports she mentioned...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: On the impact on well-being for starters.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Another comment was made that we have the second highest minimum wage in Europe. That needs to be borne in mind. Deputy Paul Murphy raised points about a large amount of informal employment going on where employers are taking on people, including my family members. I have teenagers who are working and being paid more than the minimum wage because employers choose to do so. Due to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I have spoken to a lot employers. That is the evidence I have. It may be anecdotal, but I speak to them and they tell me exactly that. Once wages go beyond a certain level, they either do not employ or they go far higher and try to get a productivity agreement with their existing workforce to pay more. That is what they do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: It is not fair not to take into account the ability of people aged 15, 16 and 17 to do the role, including their experience, their ability to communicate and their life experience, which are all part of what employers pay for. I accept where Mr. Caffrey is coming from with the equality issue, but we are probably stretching it too thin if we start to say that people aged 15, 16 and 17,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I would argue that with where AI is going, this is about low skill sets.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Before I ask my questions, I note there has been some dissing going on here between the private sector representatives and unions. On the issue of collective bargaining, which I have raised many times, ISME should be on the Labour Employer Economic Forum, LEEF, so that the voice of small business is heard. It was not heard in the last round - quite dramatically - in the context of the steep...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Based on the analysis, what is roughly the deferred cost involved? If those people were on the national minimum wage as opposed to the sub-minimum wage, what would the annual difference in the threshold work out at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I would not say it is a big figure given that it relates to 15,000 people and they are all on different gradations. We are talking about a one-size-fits-all approach and the economy and the sectors of the economy are not like that. I referred to what was said by the parties present, that we have the second highest minimum wage in Europe. We are talking about the competitiveness and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: Sorry, Mr. Caffrey, but this is a completely different discussion and one for another day.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: The point I made was in relation to the State's mechanism for protective bargaining.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: I accept the clarification from the ESRI. My concern at the end of the day relates to the small business sector and the competitiveness and viability of business. I know many people in established businesses who are on the margins and close to going under. Every time there is another edict from the Government making another change that increases the cost base again, it pushes many...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Sub-Minimum Rates of the National Mininimum Wage: Discussion (10 Jul 2024)

Matt Shanahan: My time is running out so if Mr. Caffrey does not mind, I-----

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