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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Ms Keatinge. Our final contributor is Professor Gerard Whyte from the school of law, Trinity College, Dublin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Members will know that earlier, in private session, we acknowledged receipt of the copy of the report that Professor Whyte references from the World Bank, A Tool for Justice: The Cost-Benefit Analysis of Legal Aid. The Bar Council provided it to us last week and all 60 pages were circulated to members on Friday. They have much homework. I thank all our contributors and I will open the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Does anybody wish to reply to that? I invite Ms O'Sullivan and Mr. Dornan to be full participants. It is open to all of you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Is that question directed to everybody?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I call Ms Wall to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Before I move on to Deputy Martin Kenny, I know that Deputy O'Callaghan has had to leave, I hope briefly. Deputy Jack Chambers might text Deputy O'Callaghan. We want to invite our guests to have a photograph with us at the end our session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Will Deputy Chambers let Deputy O'Callaghan know?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Senator Conway might also be advised of that. I should have flagged it at the outset. Our next contributor will be Deputy Martin Kenny, to be followed by Deputy Pringle, and I ask anybody else who wants to participate to indicate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We hope that the answer will not be money messages because that is the obstacle that all Private Member's Bills face. I know that is the barrier in that particular case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: To digress briefly, the Deputy had no doubt that Pringle is always relevant. Is that not the message from the Deputy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank the Deputy. I call Deputy Chambers, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Does anyone else wish to reply?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: If the Deputy is satisfied, that will bring us to the end of our engagement. I record our sincere thanks to all our witnesses. This is the second of our series. We are moving on next week, which is the final sitting of this year, and we will conclude our hearings on access to justice and legal costs. Our final line-up will be Insurance Ireland, the State Claims Agency, the Competition and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Yes, indeed, the Senator from the Short Strand. I wish him well with that.

Section 39 Organisations: Motion [Private Members] (17 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I move: “That Dáil Éireann: acknowledges that: — the independent not-for-profit Section 39 sector provides vital services for many thousands of people with disabilities across Ireland; — the Section 39 sector also provide healthcare, elderly, youth, substance abuse, suicide prevention, social inclusion, education, community development and many other...

Section 39 Organisations: Motion [Private Members] (17 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I wish to address a few words to the representatives of the Disability Action Coalition, the member organisations of the Oireachtas disability group and others who are present in the Visitors Gallery. I apologise that debate on the motion began far in advance of the time set by the Business Committee, with the result that many of them missed some of the earlier contributions. I extend a...

Section 39 Organisations: Motion [Private Members] (17 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is far from usual.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Business of Joint Committee (18 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: As we have a quorum, we shall commence in public session. I remind members to please switch off their mobile phones as they interfere with the recording equipment. I thank Senator Mark Daly for his presence and for facilitating the commencement of today's business.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Business of Joint Committee (18 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Nollaig shona don Seanadóir. Apologies have been received from Deputy Peter Fitzpatrick. We shall now go into private session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Access to Justice and Legal Costs: Discussion (Resumed) (18 Dec 2019)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The purpose of this morning's engagement is to continue the series of hearings on the separate but related issues of access to justice and legal costs. The focus of today’s meeting will be more on the costs aspect. We are joined from the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission by Ms. Isolde Goggin, chairperson, and Mr. Fergal O’Leary. From the State Claims Agency, we...

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