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Seanad: Message from Dáil (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: That is big of it.

Seanad: Appropriation Bill 2012 [Certified Money Bill]: All Stages (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: On a point of order, the Appropriation Bill goes through this House on the nod every year. While I said yesterday in this House that the Seanad cannot write cheques, this is effectively a cheque for ¤50 billion. It is the one measure we cannot vote against because if we did all public services would have to close. This is crucial legislation, debate on which ceased almost 20 years ago....

Seanad: Appropriation Bill 2012 [Certified Money Bill]: All Stages (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I wish to point out that the Fianna Fáil Members were present in the Chamber but chose not to vote.

Seanad: Appropriation Bill 2012 [Certified Money Bill]: All Stages (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: It is very important to put on the record that Fianna Fáil Senators were present but chose not to vote.

Seanad: Appropriation Bill 2012 [Certified Money Bill]: All Stages (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: On a point of order, I wish to indicate, for the record, that Fianna Fáil Senators were present in the Chamber for the walk through vote but that they chose not to take part.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Report Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I wish to comment on Fifth Stage.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Report Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: Are we still on Report Stage?

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Report Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: Report Stage is not agreed.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: Under Standing Order 133 I propose a verbal amendment to page 6, line 5, to change the letters "ne" to "ly". I call on one of my colleagues to second the amendment.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I am relying on Standing Order 133(2) which deals with Fifth Stage. The Standing Order states: "No amendment, not being merely verbal, shall be made to any Bill on the Fifth Stage, but verbal amendments, may be made without notice." Traditionally, verbal amendments in parliaments across the world refer to a number of words. Here I wish to change two letters of the alphabet. On page 6,...

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I seek clarification. The Standing Order specifically states that I may give a verbal amendment at Fifth Stage without notice. I have given that and my verbal amendment relates to just two letters of the alphabet.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: We will have to take legal advice on this. The Standing Order is very clear.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: On a point of order, it is very clear that the Standing Order allows me to make a verbal amendment. This is an abuse of the privilege of Senators which are clearly set out the Standing Order.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: The Clerk, with due respect, has given incorrect advice in this case.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: Verbal amendments can be made without notice and I demand that my verbal amendment be taken at this stage. I demand that you comply with the expressed terms of the Standing Order and put the amendment to the House.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: We cut for the wealthy by a great deal more.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I seek a formal ruling from the Chair on my verbal amendment.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I would like the Chair's reasons. Standing Orders state specifically that they may be made on Fifth Stage without notice.

Seanad: Social Welfare Bill 2012: Fifth Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: Where is the precedent for that? In Parliaments across the world short amendments may be made. My amendment relates to two letters of the alphabet.

Seanad: Finance (Local Property Tax) Bill 2012: Committee Stage (20 Dec 2012)

Thomas Byrne: I compliment Senator Barrett because the main talking point around the country on the property tax is how we will value our homes. There are so many developments in the property market, for example, banks are selling houses off very cheaply. Senator Barrett spoke more on the other side of the equation, referring to policy measures which, he states, distort the market the other way, but...

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