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Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(21 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: I have a quick question and not a speech. The Deputy from Fine Gael and I were not given our time slots when we should have been. We were grouped together, but that is an argument for another day. My question is for the Minister of State, Deputy O'Sullivan. The banks regularly come before another committee to discuss the issue of mortgage resolution. The vast majority of shared...

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(21 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The conflict relating to business must be taken up by the Whips. The committee has a keen interest in the Bill and I am anxious that the Poolbeg incinerator discussion takes place. Was Owen Keegan invited to attend or did he make a request to attend? I am not clear about this.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(21 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The Committee of Public Accounts wants to investigate this issue and there is a need for us to discuss it before that committee.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 25 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(21 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: We could take the Poolbeg element of the meeting at 4 p.m. and go through the correspondence initially.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Business of Joint Committee (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The Chairman is probably the worst.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: I welcome Mr. Owen Keegan and his officials. Certainly this issue has blighted Dublin south east for the past 17 years. If it was not this particular incinerator it was the illegal one that was on Sir John Rogerson's Quay. One of the first protests was Ban the Burn. It is a long time running. It was initially conceived by John FitzGerald, followed on by John Tierney and now Owen Keegan,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The local authority waste collection report of 1998 already indicated that that was the direction in which it was going.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The point I am making is that it was not unforeseen, even as far back as 1998, as some of the local authorities had already gone private and there were indications of what would happen long before 2007 and 2008 - before contracts were signed. That was the direction in which things were already going.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: I beg to differ. We will argue the point at a later stage. I think it was blatantly obvious from a very early stage. May I refer Mr. Keegan to page 9 of his presentation, where the spend to date on the project is shown as €96.27 million? Does that take into account the district heating, piping and so on that has been carried out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: From where would the heating come? Is it about €10 million that has been spent on the district heating project?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: I am just a bit lost here. Where exactly is the heat source for the district heating if the incinerator does not go ahead?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: Can Mr. Keegan give the committee an example of a separate heat source?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: This is refreshing, as I served on Dublin City Council up to the last general election and the district heating project was always firmly hooked on to the incinerator. It was also explained by Matt Twomey that district heating was always to be dependent on the incinerator, and he spoke about the experience in Copenhagen, where district heating was run off incinerators. To be honest, this...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: Let us be straight on this issue. The expenditure of €10 million was for a district heating project run with the incinerator. Is that correct? Would Dublin City Council have proceeded with the €10 million investment if it had not believed the incinerator would be built?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: What was?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: An integrated part of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: Tell me about the governance issue. Who made the decision to give the €10 million and what was the procedure involved? It was very clear at all stages, even that involving An Bord Pleanála, that district heating was an integral part of the incinerator project. Who made the decision to spend the €10 million on the pipework, etc., for the district heating system? At what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: When was the decision made and who made it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: What was the position on governance when the decision was made to spend €10 million to run the project? I believe the real expenditure so far is €106 million, not €96 million, because of that €10 million. There will be some retrofitting to justify it, but it will probably not be exactly what the council wants. Thus far, the expenditure of €10 million has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Proposed Incinerator at Poolbeg: Dublin City Council (22 Jan 2014)

Kevin Humphreys: The county managers believed it was a decision of the city council. The decision was made internally in the city council.

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