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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: I see.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: We think they were put in. Does Ms Buckley know that for sure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Has a back-up system been put in place since the outages occurred?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: There has been no independent report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: RGDATA has not seen it. I thank Ms Buckley for her attendance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: In view of the fact that this session has finished earlier than planned. I propose that the committee suspends for a few minutes before commencing the second session. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: I welcome Mr. Liam Sloyan, national lottery regulator, and Mr. Derek Donohoe, deputy regulator. I draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: I welcome the witnesses. It seems that since the Houses of the Oireachtas passed legislation on the lotto, things have changed completely and the company has found new ways to increase its sales. We have only heard from Ms Buckley about sales. I can now sit in a pub where lottery sales are prohibited, but the company has found a way around that. People can sit in pubs to their hearts'...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: A player could register under a second name.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: There is protection against it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: That does not protect the client; rather, it protects the payout master.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: The paymaster does not have to pay out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: A person could have lost €75 every day for days and then cannot accept a payout because he or she got around the system by registering twice, three times or whatever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Has it occurred?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Have there been payouts that were not made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Were there wins that were not paid out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: As we heard from Ms Buckley, many accounts are set up outside the country and are not based in Ireland, but rather in Gibraltar or elsewhere. Players are based outside of the jurisdiction and the lotto does not have to pay out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: Where does the money that is supposed to be paid out but is not go? Who receives it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Paddy Burke: The guidelines must not be clear if a client was told a prize could not be claimed because an address outside of the State was given. Would that be true?

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