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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: We will do a bit of research and come back to Mr. Ó Coigligh. I have one more thing to address before I ask other Deputies and Senators to come in again. Ms McGrath asked for this. She asked for the contract to be deferred and recommended-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I am sure a lot of this went on during the pandemic. Ms McGrath wanted a five-year contract. I will ask a direct question. I hope Ms McGrath does not mind that in the spirit of today. Does she believe that if we were not dealing with the impact that this project has had on public awareness, and the concern about how the issue was dealt with by the Department, an alternative view was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Ms McGrath believes there could have been a different decision.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: That is very honest of Ms McGrath and I thank her. I call Deputy Joanna Byrne. I will limit contributions to three minutes and perhaps two questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry, Secretary General. This is the second time, and it is very unusual I have to interrupt twice, particularly the same person. Will you answer the question directly please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: They are serving on the board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Deputy Ó Snodaigh is next, and apologies, I should have called him last.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Sorry, I just want to clarify. I will give the Deputy back his time. I will not press Mr. Ó Coigligh for an answer because I understand it was a ministerial decision, but did he give advice to the Minister in writing or was it all oral?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I agree. We should find out the reasoning behind it, to justify it and to see what difference would be made by a new appointment and the skill sets required. We will also be raising governance issues with regard to the whole Department going back a considerable period of time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: It sounds incredible. It sounds unbelievable to all of us on the committee. That just sounds like a Department that is totally and utterly dysfunctional.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Ó Coigligh know what? It is even more dysfunctional that he does not agree. Sixty pieces of correspondence - Mr. Ó Coigligh has given evidence here that he accepts Ms Kennelly's evidence - went through to a principal officer and were not escalated, as Deputy Carrigy has outlined. That is dysfunctional. For a Secretary General to then say it is not dysfunctional is more...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Sorry. I will ask Deputy Carrigy-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: We will probably end up returning to that. Before we conclude, I thank all the witnesses. This was an extraordinary meeting for reasons that I, as Chair, did not necessarily assume at the beginning. I thought some of the contradictions in the evidence were alarming. There are serious governance issues that go back a considerable period of time we are going to have to return to. There are...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Special Educational Needs (12 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: 368. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills when the SNA allocations will be released for the 2025/2026 school year. [31746/25]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Departmental Meetings (12 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: 410. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the dates and attendees at all meetings he has had with the Garda Commissioner since he took office. [31385/25]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Departmental Functions (12 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: 411. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality if, following the change of Departments, the full transfer of functions from the Department of Children, Equality and Disability has taken place yet; if not, the reason; and when it will happen. [31386/25]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: An Garda Síochána (12 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: 412. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality the number of Garda stations that have been closed permanently since 2000; to provide for a list of same; and the location of each closed station and the year it was closed, in tabular form. [31387/25]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: An Garda Síochána (12 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: 413. To ask the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality for a breakdown of the locations where all newly attested gardaí have been stationed since the new Government took office. [31389/25]

Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Policing Matters: An Garda Síochána (10 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Ó Coigligh has enough experience to know there needs to be a complete change in governance in respect of all of this. He has compiled his report and made his statements, but I am not convinced. As a committee, we are going to have to look at governance going forward. I will ask a question of Ms Kennelly. From all the evidence I have seen, she made significant attempts to engage...

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