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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: After these questions, we will move on to Deputy Connolly. Deputy Cullinane will get a second chance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to clarify that we issued a special report on Project Eagle. The Department of the Taoiseach had to be the sponsoring Department because it involved the Minister for Finance. It could not be the Department of Finance because it is part of the issue. I want to put that on the record.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Department was not involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Let the Mr. Fraser finish.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is the same with a tribunal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: For the Deputy's information, the Garda and the Revenue Commissioners normally get copies of these reports if there are relevant matters. They are free, based on that, to investigate and prosecute if they see fit. However, they have to establish their own evidence trail if they are going to court. The documents are not locked up. The Garda and Revenue Commissioners have followed through...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will come back to that. I have to move on to Deputy Catherine Connolly. There is a famous phrase from a former Minister and political leader who said that if parliamentary questions had been answered as asked, there would have been no need for some of the earlier tribunals. That might not apply to every single case-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----but it might apply in some instances.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay, that is good. It is the Minister who is responsible for the answer when it lands in the Dáil Chamber. I call Deputy Catherine Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is that per annum?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am sorry to interrupt, Deputy Connolly but Mr. Fraser mentioned tribunals ending up in his Department and I would just like to make an observation in the context of the scoping inquiry. On the face of it and based on what we have seen so far, if there is to be a tribunal, it will be under the Department of the Taoiseach. The Department of Health will be a subject of the inquiry, as will...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: A scoping inquiry-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The only point I disagree with is that it is relevant to the subject matter of today's meeting. There were four tribunals of inquiry and this is learning from those for the future.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The principle of setting these up is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: And Mr. Fraser, or whichever Accounting Officer is given the job, will have to implement it then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Fraser repeat that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This may be helpful. We have on the screen the letter from Robert Watt about the business case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have been giving members a good bit of time. The next speaker is Deputy Jonathan O'Brien. Am I correct that Mr. Fraser must leave by 12 noon?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 2 - Department of An Taoiseach
(3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: In fairness, we started at 9 a.m. Three hours is enough.

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