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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Fivefold.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: They must have been making a profit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Will the Department provide the committee with a list of all of those in the community childcare subvention, CCS, scheme and what Dr. Lynch referred to as related schemes, the amount paid to each of the not-for-profits or whatever they are, for the past ten years? Can we find out from where the biggest portion of money which was overclaimed was returned? If State funds are being handed out-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I refer to CCS scheme and early childhood care and education, ECCE, providers, and everyone in early childhood who is in receipt of these payments. Are there any data? Dr. Lynch said that the compliance visits were to the largest providers which were the greatest risk to the Exchequer. This is the low-hanging fruit where the most money can be recouped. I assume there is no point in going...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: -----who may have overclaimed by €7. It would not be worthwhile to go back in there, but not in the case of a big provider or one of the larger companies with providers everywhere and this was routine. Will the committee be told how much of the budget went on CCS and ECCE from day one? I am concerned that a red flag was not raised about why there was 100% uptake in a certain area....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We need it broken down as to who received the money, from when, and then the committee can look at it as spikes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: No. I am sure that would be confidential.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: That is what we want.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Ms McNally said there are 4,500 types.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We need the numbers and we could group it ourselves. The officials can see what they can get us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Where a provider has had large amounts of overclaiming, is there any punishment? Say a particular company was particularly efficient at registering and enrolling children but not looking after them, what is the punishment? What is the naughty step for lack of compliance? Will the provider be turfed out of the scheme in the future? Will it be inspected more regularly? What is the slap on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Am I correct that the women's refuge in Rathmines, and women's refuges, come under Tusla? The Rathmines refuge closed some time ago. Can anyone confirm that it is still closed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It was a women's refuge, then it was closed to be refurbished.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It is very close to where I live. It was closed for refurbishment in the context of operating as a women's refuge. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: So it was done up as a women's refuge and now it is being used for homeless people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Was there any extra capacity when it was done up? One issue was that when women ended up there having fled a difficult situation, there was no facility for bringing a child with them. Was that dealt with as part of the doing-up?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: However, it is not being used for the purpose.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: On the counting of women's refuge beds, I understand that Rathmines is still being counted as though it is a women's refuge. Am I right or wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Perhaps Mr. Smyth can do so this afternoon. It would be easy enough to find out. I understand that it is still being counted as refuge beds but it is not currently a refuge. Mr. Smyth mentioned staff. Where are the staff who were there previously? What happened to them during the doing-up phase and where are they now?

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