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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have noted that request. On the work programme for Mr. Harkness, the committee will next meet on 3 May. Mr. McCarthy is not here, but I want to be clear that at next week's meeting we want to receive a list of all of the organisations which have not yet submitted accounts to the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General for 2017. The deadline for their receipt was the end of...

Public Accounts Committee: Committee of Public Accounts Annual Report 2017 (26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: In its private session the committee has approved its annual report for 2017, which will be published early next week and laid before the Houses of the Oireachtas. There will not be a press launch of the report but it will be available and laid before the Houses. The purpose of this report is to outline the activities of the committee during the year. This includes 49 meetings of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: I welcome everyone to consideration of the Chapter 13 - development of ICT systems by the Department of Justice and Equality, and the appropriation accounts Vote 24 - Justice and Equality. We are joined by officials from the Department of Justice and Equality and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. From the Department of Justice and Equality I welcome Ms Oonagh McPhillips,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Harkness. I now call Ms McPhillips to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: How many paragraphs are there to go?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is hard to keep up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where are we now, so we can-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: What is the start of the paragraph?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where is that in the script?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will work it out. It is just a question of relying on-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Not yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: I understand. What is the start of Ms McPhillips's next paragraph?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: The issue is simple - we have a submission with a longer paragraph than Ms McPhillips's.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where she started her paragraph was half way down ours. Ours starts: "An ongoing and key aspect of the change programme". Will Ms McPhillips return to that point? That is page 6.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is fine. Before I call Deputies, I will seek some clarification for people who are watching this meeting. Ms McPhillips stated that the Department was to be restructured into two portfolios. The first was home affairs, a name we are used to hearing where the British Ministry is concerned. Ms McPhillips might explain what is meant by "home affairs" and "justice and equality".

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Under which one are the courts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where would immigration issues fall?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: As well as policing and criminal matters, our home affairs would cover immigration and insolvency.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Ms McPhillips might send us a briefing note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is there a draft document within the Department that a member of staff could have emailed to us?

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