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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I also asked if there has been a follow-on valuation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I ask the Chair to put me on the list to come back in later for more questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: This is linked. The ODCE was to be replaced by the Corporate Enforcement Agency. The expectation was that would happen in January. My understanding is that there was an error in the legislation as well as an issue around the provision of gardaí and that there was a memorandum of understanding, MOU. What role did the Department have in the MOU? Has it been signed at this stage? When...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: There would have been a role in regard to the Garda Síochána. Does Ms McPhillips's Department not have a role in regard to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Over the years I have heard words like "imminent" and "expected soon". I think that is tomorrow. That is my interpretation of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: To be honest, corporate enforcement is either important or it is not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Essentially, the number of gardaí is relatively small in the context of a very big area. Deputy Carroll MacNeill talked about the legislation. Legislation is one thing while the actual delivery of the terms of that legislation is another. This agency cannot do its work. It has been frustrated in doing its work because it has not had the gardaí. I am really trying to find out...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. On the Hamilton report, is there a wall-planner in terms of the roll-out? For example, the Hamilton report identified a number of significant shortcomings with agency resources. It was not only personnel. Some of it was IT and technology. Are we going to see a plan of action?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We know legislation takes time but what of those other aspects?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, that would be helpful. On the ex gratia payments in regard to the Department's expenditure on legal aid, presumably there are controls in place and there are very specific arrangements where that happens. Will Ms McPhillips tell us how it happens? What kind of scenario would qualify for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of examples would have fitted in with the Garda station legal aid scheme? Can Ms McPhillips give an example of a scenario where that would apply?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How is that different from-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is this unusual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. O'Sullivan mentioned the time we were fined. What was the extent of that fine?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is there any question of any other fines being in the offing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Ms McPhillips.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Since no one wants to raise any issues, can we note the accounts and statements? Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Moving on to correspondence previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion at the meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: To be clear, are we talking about the scoping inquiry or all the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We can come back to that once we get a response. Correspondence group B comprises correspondence from Accounting Officers and Ministers following up on meetings of this committee. No. 1147B, from Mr. Brendan Gleeson, Secretary General of the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, dated 24 March 2022, provides information requested by the committee regarding remuneration for the CEO...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Was the application process open to a wide group of people, including people from other jurisdictions? Did NewERA advise on recruiting or was it just on the salary? Another issue arose over a car that was declined. I believe this pertains to the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. We need to make inquiries into what transpired. A salary is one thing but an overall package...

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