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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I remind members and witnesses that mobile phones should be switched off as they interfere with the recording equipment. Apologies have been received from Deputy Jack Chambers. To facilitate our witnesses, we will deal with private business at the end of today's meeting. The purpose of this engagement is to conclude our consideration of the issues of community policing and rural crime,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Mr. Kennedy. Has Mr. Carey something to add to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I will open it up now to members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank the Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Deputy Wallace. I call Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Perhaps this is not required; I do not think the IFA has to be told about the extent of its influence here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank the Senator for her contribution, and for that moment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I know that Deputy Wallace wants to come back in briefly so I ask him to speak on that particular matter before I invite Deputy Danny Healy-Rae to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: The representatives of the IFA have another engagement and representatives of the Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association are waiting outside. I will ask a couple of final questions before releasing the witnesses to go on their way. They drew attention to the different issues with classification of rural crimes. Mr. Barry Carey got that message across very strongly. They also shone a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Mr. Kennedy reflected in his opening address that there had been a significant recovery of goods North of the Border which had been stolen South of the Border. There was a further incident of that in the past fortnight. Stolen goods, including farm equipment and other trade equipment, are trafficked. One would expect texting to be complementary to the respective police services' awareness...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I concur with Mr. Carey and echo what he said. The full potential of this approach has not yet been properly realised. I represent a significant rural constituency. In fact, from the far west of County Cavan to County Monaghan's closest point to the Irish Sea, it is probably one of the largest, if not the largest, geographic constituencies in the country. I recognise the issue of fear. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I will make a comment that I do not wish to go into further. I then have a last question. I hope and pray that the vista Mr. Kennedy spelled out in the section of his opening address titled "Brexit Preparedness" never ever presents. I take it that the outline of this scenario is addressed to more than this committee to emphasise that we need to make damn sure that is not the reality. This...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank the witnesses very much for their responses. On behalf of the committee, I thank the Mr. Richard Kennedy and Mr. Barry Carey of the IFA for being with us this morning. I also record my thanks to Ms Elaine Farrell, who is in the Visitors Gallery, and I extend our regrets that the IFA president, Mr. Joe Healy, was not able to join us this morning. Mr. Kennedy and Mr. Carey certainly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I welcome the representatives of the Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association, Mr. Seamus Sherlock, rural development chairperson, and Ms Laura Starnes, operations manager. They are very welcome and I thank them for their patience. Our earlier sessions ran on longer than expected. I will invite them to make their opening statement before opening up for members to put their comments and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: I thank Mr. Sherlock. I will open the meeting to questions but I should explain that the Minister for Justice is taking questions in the Dáil and some members may have to leave, as some have done already. Hopefully, they will be able to return.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Ms Starnes mentioned Muintir na Tíre, which is one of the groups that has come before us, along with Foróige, in the first session just a fortnight ago. They both made very cogent contributions. I have a couple of questions. In our engagement with the IFA earlier, a number of points were raised and I wonder about the experience of the witnesses. Is the reporting something they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is a very important message. We should decouple the insurance reporting from reporting to the Garda. The first is a decision but the other should happen in any case. If it does not, statistics would not reflect the honest picture. It is a very important point. I hope IFA and ICSA encourage their membership to do this in their meetings and engagements in every county. They should use...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Even with the confidence issue, people should recognise the importance of reporting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We developed our knowledge of the IFA when its representatives came before us a short time ago, and it has a cross-Border working relationship with the Ulster Farmers Union. Do the witnesses have a corresponding relationship with Ulster farmers or another organisation North of the Border? I ask this in the context of greater cross-Border and cross-community encouragement. There is evidence...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Community Policing and Rural Crime: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Oct 2018)

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: Did Ms Starnes mention CESAR?

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