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Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Annie Hoey: ...out of order, which is obviously extremely disappointing, particularly when they refer to a cost on the State. I do not know that we could ever really calculate the full cost of the impact that mother and baby homes had on people's lives. If we are not even going to be able to discuss the amendments because they have been ruled out of order and require money messages, we should at least...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Alice-Mary Higgins: ...need answering. I have been informed that amendments Nos. 8 to 10, inclusive, which were on the definition of "relevant person", have been ruled out of order. That makes these amendments, Nos. 1 and 15, which try to address who is included as a relevant person, all the more important in reviewing it. I have some questions for the Minister because these are the choices that are being...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Roderic O'Gorman: Amendments Nos. 1 and 15 are proposed to be taken together as they both seek to include a section in the Bill providing for a report on the operation of the scheme. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to be able to accept these amendments as the Bill already provides for a review of the operation of the scheme under section 49. It sets out two separate reviews that will be conducted on...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Alice-Mary Higgins: I have the same question. We still have not received any justification. The justification has simply been that we can look back and see a worse proposal made by someone else and a worse decision before that as regards the failure of the commission to properly acknowledge the damage and abuse. We can look at worse decisions. We can go back to all the original decisions about the mother and...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Marie Sherlock: The Minister has sat through many hours of debates in the Dáil and the Seanad at this stage and, of course, countless other hours in internal meetings. Therefore, he knows the strongly-held views of many of us in this House, those of many of his colleagues in Government, the survivor groups, and even the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission. We have to ask how we are still in this...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Alice-Mary Higgins: ...It is where the definitions for the phrases used later in the Bill are set. The Opposition has made some constructive proposals about how those definitions could be improved. I ask that thought and consideration are given to strengthening and improving those definitions between now and Report Stage. I do not think we got a response about the scope for looking for wider definitions....

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Sharon Keogan: ...children who had been in care over the years, I know of the trauma that even one night in care can cause for a child. That the Minister has disregarded the children under discussion from the remit and payment is absolutely scandalous. He is not acknowledging the trauma they face and have faced over the years. I am very disappointed that he has not agreed to acknowledge in any way the...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Alice-Mary Higgins: I am sorry we have to press the Minister so on this. I have been paying attention and we have been listening closely to his responses on other sections. What he did was outline in some detail the process whereby the decision on the six months was reached, including the facts that the Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation made even worse recommendations and would have excluded...

Seanad: Mother and Baby Institutions Payment Scheme Bill 2022: Committee Stage (16 May 2023)

Sharon Keogan: I am well aware who it was intended for. It is really not about the money here. It is about acknowledging the wrong that was done to the mothers and babies in those homes. The Government has chosen to put a two-tier system in place. I am sure the people who are getting money would not mind even sharing that money with those who were in the mother and baby homes for less than six months....