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- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: The Deputy is on her last question.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Aylward.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: That is a question for Caranua. That is for the next session. We have a second set of witnesses coming in from Caranua. We have the Department of Education and Skills witnesses here to discuss the awards from the old redress scheme. The Caranua people that the Deputy is talking about-----
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: We just said that the Caranua witnesses will come in when we are finished with this session. They are waiting outside. Those questions are for Caranua.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: We might even hear their opening statement in a few minutes.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: The Caranua witnesses are all coming in in a few minutes.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Yes. Over the years they were the settlements to the people who went to the redress board. The average figure is €60,000. Caranua is the recent scheme and that group will be before the committee shortly.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: They will appear before the committee shortly.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Before we conclude, I have a brief question. With regard to the original estimate of €250 million, Mr. Ó Foghlú mentioned a figure of around a couple of thousand cases that may be in the system. On what figure did you base that €250 million? Was it 2,000 or 3,000?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Where did that figure come from?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: What was the figure?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: The Department had 800 specific cases and it estimated there would be 2,000.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Of the 139 institutions covered under the scheme, the obvious starting point is how many people went through the 139 institutions over the years. That is the total population if one is trying to get an estimate. You should start at that figure rather than just those who have already commenced legal proceedings. What is the answer to that? How many people went through the 139 institutions?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: You cannot tell me even though they were all under the direct supervision of the Department over the years.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay, but most were.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Even at the initial stages, although some Department officials had visited some of those schools, there was nowhere in the Department-----
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I will ask a different question. I hate to put it this way but the Department was obviously paying the religious orders based on the number of people who went into the institutions over the years.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: How was that worked out? Surely the Department worked that out.
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: Okay. What was the Department's best estimate if it did not know exactly?
- Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)
Seán Fleming: I understand that, but I am asking a different question now. There were 16,649 applications. To give your own best estimate at this stage, and I realise it is not an exact figure, does anybody have any idea if that was 10%, 50%, 70% or 90% of the people who were in the institutions? Have we any concept of how many people were in them?