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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is bizarre.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does that encompass everything that needs to be encompassed?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Except the foundations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can the Comptroller and Auditor General send us a note on why there are the HEA ones? Are the ones the HEA and the Department want the ones that the Comptroller and Auditor General audits or the other ones?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: So should we.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps you will provide us with a more detailed note on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Public sector pensions.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is a final matter on this topic before we move on to complete the rest of the correspondence. There is an item of correspondence, PAC32-R-408C, directly related to this. It concerns the financial statements for the Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim Education and Training Board, which was a serious outlier in terms of late accounts. The letter we received from it during the week states that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: It has told us that it will have its 2014 accounts finished in May and that it will have its 2015 accounts finished in June. We want to receive a letter in the first week of July confirming that it has done what it said it would do in this letter. Limerick and Clare Education and Training Board is in the same category.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, on a different chart.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: One cannot help observing that the delays are obvious the further west one goes. I do not know who I have offended by saying that, but it is a statement of fact. The further west one goes, the slower they get.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is what the chart shows, but I am in trouble straight away.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: If I am in trouble it means somebody is listening, so that is a good thing. We will proceed with the rest of our correspondence. We had many issues to cover with the third level colleges at the last meeting. The next item is category A correspondence for today's meeting. Nos. 410A and 411A are the briefing documents from the Department of Education and Skills and Caranua. We note and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: Of the 70, 12 were direct employees on the payroll. They have all been dealt with. Of the 12, ten have submitted claims. Two might not. Perhaps they were senior people who chose not to put in a claim. Of the ten who submitted claims, nine have been paid to date and the other has money on the way. The direct employees on the payroll have been dealt with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The other 58 were not on the payroll and submitted an invoice for hours worked on a monthly basis.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: They were contract workers and do not enjoy any of that protection. We would be shallow as individuals if we were to walk away from them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: The charity regulators only operate in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: What the Deputy says is right. There are broader issues. We discussed Console with the HSE. Its representatives have been before us specifically to discuss the matter. I am sure there are other cases, but we should not walk away from the one case that has been put in front of us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Apr 2017)

Seán Fleming: I think it will have to be an ex gratia payment because everybody says that, legally, they do not have to make a payment. We are in that space.

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