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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Does Dr. Hislop have a further comment to add?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Given that they will be obliged to leave soon, I will take contributions from the Senators present because I understand they have to be elsewhere.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Am I correct in stating the Senator is obliged to go?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: I should have taken questions from spokespersons first, but I made an exception in this instance because the Senators are obliged to leave. I am taking them in the order in which they indicated a desire to contribute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Does the Senator wish to wait her turn then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Quality and Standards in Schools: Chief Inspector at Department of Education and Skills (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: We move on to our discussion of quality and standards in primary and post-primary schools. I welcome the chief inspector at the Department of Education and Skills, Dr. Harold Hislop. His report covering the period 2010 to 2012 which was recently launched by the Minister provides details of the quality of education in primary and second level schools and centres for education and highlights...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: How would it affect people in the community participating in courses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: It depends on who is providing the training.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: It depends. Sometimes staff have to cover their own costs. It is very difficult to know without more information. In this case, only the providers have to pay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: For instance, if a private company was set up to provide courses, it would have to go to the QQI and pay the fees.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Ultimately, the people who are buying the course, the staff, could end up paying the cost but it is a case of how that cost can be minimised.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: The chief inspector will be coming to the meeting now and I invite members to remain if possible. I thank the witnesses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Deputy O'Brien sought clarification on a question but I cannot remember what it was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Mr. Vaughan, do you wish to respond to what Senator O'Donnell has said? Through your community section, would you propose trying to do something or see how you could work out something to try to save individual providers' fees - to save them money, effectively?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Senator O'Donnell, the waivers do not apply-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: I wish to ask some questions. Ms O'Brien referred to certain waivers. Are there waivers for course validation? What is the position with regard to becoming a recognised provider in the first place? This will affect different providers in different ways, but often-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: Often, these things are set up in the community. A provider brings in a marginalised group such as the Traveller community. They might be the only people who bring in that group. For example, a particular group of Travellers may not go to an education and training board, FÁS or the body that has replaced FÁS. However, they might go to a given group of people - for example, a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: For example, if a group had no money-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Education Progamme Fees: Quality and Qualifications Ireland (19 Feb 2014)

Joanna Tuffy: What if a group was getting qualifications for a marginalised group who did not go to the normal providers?

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