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Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: I move amendmentNo. 12: In page 10, to delete lines 22 and 23 and substitute the following: "'Garda Ombudsman' means Ombudsman an Gharda Síochána established under section 57;". This is our first opportunity to discuss anything regarding the Garda ombudsman — ombudsman an Gharda Síochána. The other amendment is No. 73, which is to delete line 29 on page 16 and substitute "Ombudsman an...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: In the long run, that is our intention.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: We would support them if they were accountable to democratically elected representatives on the island, which they are not.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: If the PSNI were accountable to this House, we might get on board a good deal more quickly.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: I have recognised this House for a good deal longer than the Deputy, since I pass it almost every day of my life. It exists as a building.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: If the Deputy wishes me to recognise the Houses of the Oireachtas, I will also recognise them. They and no one else have legislated for my life since I was born.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: The purpose of the amendment is to restart the debate on the question of an "Ombudsman an Gharda Síochána" and to again ask the Minister to consider and take on board, even at this late stage, the points made on Committee Stage. I could reread some of what was said during that long debate but I am aware that other Members wish to speak on this issue. We are all anxious to discover whether...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: As with the previous amendment, I do not recall this matter being discussed on Committee Stage. Is there a reason we are not recommitting the Bill to deal with these amendments in line with the decision taken on the other technical amendments?

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: I am not blaming the Minister this time.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: The question was not necessarily directed at the Minister because the Ceann Comhairle is in charge. I do not understand why a decision was made earlier on technical amendments.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: I move amendmentNo. 10: In page 10, lines 17 and 18, to delete all words from and including "and" in line 17 down to and including "member," in line 18. This is the first reference to the volunteer, reserve or other designation that will be given eventually to this part of the organisation the Minister is providing for in the legislation. I am opposed to it, first, on the basis of our history...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Another botched amendment.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: As the House is in committee we can discuss the amendment and its changes. We are also allowed to respond to comments made by the Minister when he presented the amendment. I will not do so now. I do not oppose what the Minister suggests in this case but had he been here earlier to agree with our motion for recommittal of the Bill, we would not have to go through the process of recommittal...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: As the Minister said, this is a technical amendment. Whether we spend 20 minutes or 20 hours debating it is irrelevant. The House is intended for debate. As the Minister said on Committee Stage, the objective is to get the Bill right. That applies to the whole Bill, whether in the context of one technical amendment or several such amendments. We sought additional time to ensure we got...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: Are we back on Report Stage?

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: We did not vote in committee.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: On a technical point, in the event of our not reaching amendments that do not arise from committee proceedings, what happens to them? Usually on Report Stage remaining amendments are taken together.

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: That should be fun. I move amendment No. 5: In page 10, between lines 1 and 2, to insert the following: "'The Garda Síochána' shall be construed to mean references to 'an Garda Síochána';". This amendment is self-explanatory. I debated it in committee with the Minister who said he would consider it. The title of the organisation is "An Garda Síochána" and, therefore, rather than my...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: The title "the Garda Síochána" is not used all the time and tradition does not carry through on this. Even the Title of the Bill refers to "Garda Síochána" rather than a proper title of an organisation. The police force was defined as An Garda Síochána at its founding. There has been incorrect usage since 1925 but that does not mean we should continue the tradition. Not all traditions...

Garda Síochána Bill 2004 [Seanad]: Report Stage. (22 Jun 2005)

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: If the Minister had listened to my last contribution, he would know I stated that I, similar to others in the House, use various forms to refer to the force. However, the legal title of the organisation is An Garda Síochána. The Bill includes instances where this title is shortened to "Garda", for example, in reference to "Garda Commissioner". I am not seeking to change that aspect but I...

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