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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Dr. Cohen send us a breakdown of that figure? The impression may have been given that the original contract had implications for all library services. It was for the online journals only. While the witnesses are fully aware of that, it gets lost in translation.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How concerned was Professor Norton about the "Prime Time Investigates" programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Professor Norton believes the "Prime Time" programme had a serious impact on the reputation of the institute.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I believe it was broadcast on a Thursday night and at 15.51 on the following day, Friday, Professor Norton issued an email to all staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: How regularly does he issue emails to all staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will read from the email issued as a result of the "Prime Time" programme, which can be circulated. It states that all issues identified and the steps taken subsequently were included in the information provided by DIT to the Committee of Public Accounts. They specifically did not say that. The email gave the impression that all documents - people knew about the Ernst & Young...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The email stated that DIT had always maintained a balanced budget and is required to do so. The collapse of Swets UK, it continued, was unavoidable but the loss was very significant. In the short term, it continued, the loss was absorbed by DIT's financial reserves and savings were made through postponement of some senior appointments and some areas of capital expenditure. It added that...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The governing body must not have been happy that the committee was in possession of the Ernst & Young report even after-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Professor Norton explain what happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I have one final issue to ask the witness about. That is why I asked Mr. Love to give us an understanding of the presidents of the various third level institutions and whether their employment was full time or whatever. Obviously, at the salary being paid, we would expect full-time service and not something else. Professor Norton might talk to us about something that is public...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Say that again.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Did I see a figure that the income generated as a result of the fees charged for processing these applications were substantial seven-figure sums - over £1 million and more - and were put through that organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am sure the organisation charged a fee for processing the applications.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: We know. We are talking about the organisation's fee for processing the applications. Nobody is ever suggesting the grants went to the organisation. They went to the applicants.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: The reason I asked as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts is, and I am sure members agree, that when salaries of the scale of €130,000 or €170,000 are being paid, the taxpayer would expect a full-time commitment. I am pleased Professor Norton is saying that it is not a substantially remunerated position. I accept what he is saying about it being a very modest amount.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is the witness's outlet.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Professor Norton can understand why I sought clarification there.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Charities can be commercial too. An organisation can be a registered charity and be a multi-million euro business.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand. The last question I want to ask of DIT I will also ask of CIT. I should have asked it earlier. Can the witnesses send us a note on the organisations' total legal costs incurred in each of the last three years or whatever? We will take the last three years and-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology and Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Seán Fleming: Okay. So it is documented.

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