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Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: I do not have those figures.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: What about the millions of euro we are saving by getting more people employed?

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: Why does the Deputy not look up more to the Visitors Gallery?

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: I have answered the question.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: Financing.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: I have the figures.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: I took the intervening time to get Deputy Donnelly's figures and I apologise for not having them before. The €130 million is based on the best "guesstimates" of volume of households, as I outlined earlier. The Deputies opposite can accept that or reject it but those are the estimates given to me.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: Deputy Donnelly argued that costs could potentially be in excess of charges and some points should be borne in mind. One cannot include the €130 million, which is an allowance given to everybody. It is not relevant in comparing costs and charges of Irish Water. The cost of billing and metering is estimated at €22 million. If that is deducted from €271 million, it...

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: I have just outlined it.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: The 1.3 million is based the principal primary residence. If there were eight people in eight different apartments in the one block who had all signed up as customers of Irish Water, they would get the €100. If somebody has their own house, they will get it for that, but if they have another holiday home in Kerry, they will not get it for that. So it is not for holiday homes.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: It is not for businesses that have got the packs sent out or anything like that. It is for people who either have their own home - it is not for their holiday homes - or it is for people who are renting and are signed up to Irish Water as a customer.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: The estimate based on that is 1.3 million, which at €100 comes to €130 million.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: No, I am not saying there are 2 million. I am saying there are 1.3 million as outlined there. I cannot be any clearer than that.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: It is not wrong

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: It is not wrong.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: It is the best estimate based on the analysis done by the Government.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: The Deputy is not taking into account a whole range of factors regarding holiday homes, other types of buildings, vacant houses and all of that.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: This is very clear. The 1.3 million is very clear.

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: At 1.3 million-----

Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (11 Dec 2014)

Alan Kelly: Irish Water has been set up to deliver better water services and new investment. I have outlined the figures already. This needs a new funding model and as I have outlined the revenue will drive this investment. The cost of collecting this revenue is less than the revenue collected.

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