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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Some €35 million was written off. What is not included? I am confused at this stage with the Secretaries General, for whom I have the greatest respect, as to what the final cost is. I think we had somebody before us who could not answer in regard to a cost of €2 billion. What does that list not include?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I understand all of those and they should all have been identified before. That is what the report is telling us, namely, they were not identified and there is an optimism bias, and all of this other lovely language that led to huge increases in cost. My question to Mr. Breslin is this. What figure has the Department for a hospital that will be up and running, in addition to what Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: There is nothing else. Therefore, any additional price to the €1.7 billion will be to do with what is built in to deal with optimism bias, risks and various-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: However, everything else is included.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is the accommodation for the families of children included?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Ronald McDonald is going to provide accommodation for the families of sick children.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is lovely. It is very reassuring that we are spending almost €2 billion of taxpayers' money and we are going to rely on Ronald McDonald.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: That is my own personal view and I will stick to the facts. However, it certainly does not help me to think that Ronald McDonald is going to provide accommodation. Will Mr. Breslin explain to me what the State is providing for accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Please listen to me. We are not going to deal with the wonders of the hospital. I am asking Mr. Breslin what-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I have no difficulty with that. I am a mother. I am sure the health committee will tease it out more. My job is to tease out what the State is paying for accommodation, along with Ronald McDonald.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: What will the State be paying? What is ring-fenced for accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: We have gone through all of these costs. We did not provide in the plan for accommodation and totally relied on a charity. That charity is now coming back and saying it is not so charitable and needs a contribution from the Government. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I only want the facts.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: We will discuss the models.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The contribution being asked for is €10 million to start with and possibly more.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Is it a fact that it will possibly be more?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: I see. When will the figure be final?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: The planning application is done and dusted.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Catherine Connolly: Reference to tri-location with a maternity hospital was included in the accounts at the beginning. Is this included as an objective in the 2018 accounts?

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