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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Because this is more about these two COMs, just try to focus your contribution on the COMs, Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: The advice is that this committee is not dealing with the triple lock. If we go into it too much-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Can you do so succinctly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: It is one person at a time. However, it is the member's time to speak.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I thank the Deputy. He has made his point. It is his time to make the point he wants to make. He is now halfway through his time, so let us focus on the COMs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Let us try to have one speaker at a time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Can we have one speaker at a time? The Deputy can ask a question or make a point. Is Ms Kinney indicating? Is that what she is suggesting? No. Go ahead, a Theachta.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Before the Deputy comes in, I note that Ms Kinney is indicating and may want to come in. We need to try to wrap up this segment. I am giving the Deputy some leeway because we were not dealing with this topic earlier. I call Ms Kinney.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: We are coming to the end of the Deputy's time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: That is fine. Before Ms Kinney responds, we had to receive legal advice before today's meeting. I wish to flag that the committee is aware that the European Parliament has lodged a request with the European Court of Justice regarding the SAFE regulation. It is important that the committee not prejudice that case in any way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: The witness is indicating, just in case the Senator wishes to allow her to reply before she changes the topic.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Just before-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: No, that is okay. That is not what I was going to say at all. Given the advice that I always read out at the start, it is better not to mention companies or entities by name.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I know you did.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I know the Senator knows that, but we do have guests, so it is just that everybody understands.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Companies or entities.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: Does Ms Kinney want to start because she has been indicating for a while?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: No, go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: I thank Ms Kinney. I call Ms NĂ­ Bhriain.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion (24 Sep 2025)

Mairéad Farrell: We cannot name anyone.

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