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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will write back to the Minister saying we want an immediate-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We have quite an amount of correspondence following previous requests for information; practically everything. Witnesses are following through. The secretariat is keeping check of the outstanding requests and this is why this issue has arisen. We do ask for the information within ten working days, which is the normal way.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. This has been going on for a good while.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: Absolutely. It is really in the Minister's hands because we know that, legally, the liquidator cannot do it and it is being passed around.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, that is why we wrote it. We will send the strongest possible letter to the Minister personally. We need a response-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but we did understand that if the Minister is responding on this issue of making an ex gratiapayment, it may have to go to Cabinet. A Minister would not be able to unilaterally set a precedent in making an ex gratia payment for unpaid wages. That was mentioned before the summer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: I agree. I believe a significant reason for Console ultimately going bust and into liquidation was that the Health Service Executive, the organisation's funder, was not on the case and allowed this to happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: The things that happened in Console were wrong, but the HSE-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. The principal reason for this situation is a lack of action by the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will keep on top of this issue. No. 734B is a note received from An Garda Síochána on 4 August regarding the interim report on the reopening of Garda stations. The note states that a final report will be submitted to the Minister for Justice and Equality and suggests it would be appropriate for the committee to make inquiries with the Department. The secretariat has written...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: As I see it, they were here in early July and decisions had been announced. We now look at the letter we received in August which says a final report will be submitted to the Minister shortly. A month after he tells us he has a report done, he is writing to us to say a final report will be submitted shortly. He goes on to say it will be presented to the Government. If it goes into the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: The issue is very clear. A commitment was given and the letter we have received from them says it was in the context of a request from the Minister in the context of the programme for Government. He knew that when he agreed to give it to us. Telling us that now, which is two months later, is of no relevance. He knew that when he answered the question. We are not seeking to know how the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----and we can see their report. We all know the outcome of the Government decision. We will just see if there is any correlation between the two events.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: And public money. We have followed it up with the acting commissioner, but I had intended we would write to him again to remind him of the commitment and, if we had that complete, that he would be invited. Rather than to get straight into the Garda, given that we can come to it in the work programme, we will give the Garda representatives the week to supply it. We will tell them that if we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am agreeing because I have just checked who the letter came from. The note we have before us obviously did not come from the acting commissioner because Ms Nóirín O'Sullivan was Commissioner on 4 August when we received it. I am told the note we have received has come from the office of Joe Nugent, the chief administrative officer. We are now in the situation that the deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am just referring to this case. This has not come from the deputy commissioner or the former Commissioner. It has come from the chief administrative officer's office, which is not what we are looking for at all. We did not want to hear from the chief administrative officer on this issue. The deputy commissioner gave a black and white commitment and we want to hear from the acting...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will write to the acting commissioner today asking for a copy of the report prepared by An Garda Síochána - it is what is in An Garda Síochána, not what is in the Department of Justice and Equality or is going to Cabinet - by tomorrow evening, which is Friday, and we are requesting him to attend next Thursday morning. We will set aside a half an hour, with the time to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is at a time to be agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are setting time aside next week. He is to appear in both cases.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2017)

Seán Fleming: We were told one thing in public session at the previous meeting before the summer break and we are being told something completely different in this correspondence from An Garda Síochána in the meantime. The Committee of Public Accounts is not going to tolerate that kind of activity from any public body.

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