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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: It struck me during the doctors' presentation that their conditions have deteriorated. We have been told that. Surely that should not be the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghabháil le baill Feidhmeannacht na Seirbhíse Sláinte. I thank the delegates most sincerely for attending this afternoon's meeting. I appreciate their giving of their time, their presentation and their engagement with members. I thank the members as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Ó Caoláin mentioned the EU case against Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Is the HSE happy that there are sufficient personnel to recruit in July and that what happened two years ago will be avoided?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: One of the complaints we hear from both family members and NCHDs is that they have to go abroad and we are asked why they cannot stay at home and why has a pathway not been put in place for them. I have three e-mails from parents of NCHDs complaining that their son or daughter has to go away, notwithstanding the fact that some of the them want to travel. However, in some cases they do not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Is that not overly reliant on the consultant in signing off? It was noted earlier that the HSE has a role to play as employer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: This afternoon's IMO presentation states that NCHDs may instead pursue shorter training overseas under superior conditions with the aim of taking up a consultant post with an overall package of terms and conditions of employment, working conditions and salary levels that are more attractive than in Ireland. This is best exemplified by the IMO boarding pass campaign which saw over 800 NCHDs...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Sorry, Deputy Doherty, I call Deputy Ó Caoláin and Senator Burke first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Is that attainable by 31 March?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: One of the doctors told us this afternoon that he could not leave if his patient had not been taken care of. Let us say, for argument's sake, that 5 o'clock was the curfew time. He said he could not leave at that time if a patient was in need of follow-up care.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: It is on page 5 of the presentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Is that attainable, given the presentations we had earlier today and given the anecdotal evidence that many of us have brought to the committee, not just today but previously? Will we see this happening?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Are there more non-consultant hospital doctor posts?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I will bring Senator Burke back in a second. Please let Mr. O'Brien finish first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: In the context of our discussion, we were told that there was probably no plan B for recruitment if there is a shortage come July.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: That is okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Professor McGovern might be able to furnish the committee with those figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We will get the answer this time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: The Deputy is more than welcome to stay here with us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Pay and Conditions of Non-Consultant Hospital Doctors: Discussion (5 Mar 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: The Deputy might be more respectful of the delegates.

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