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Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: I would like to welcome our guests back to the Committee of Public Accounts. They are very welcome. It is safe to say that we all want to see this hospital being built as quickly as possible. We are dealing with children who need better healthcare and certainly better outcomes. This hospital will be revolutionary in terms of access to the future healthcare they all require. I will...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: I thank Ms Hardiman for that. CHI will take over following the end of the building phase and the technical commissioning. How long will the commissioning programme take?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Will it be until the end of April 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Is CHI saying that the hospital will see children being admitted, and the hospital being opened, by April 2025? When does Ms Hardiman expect the hospital to be fully operational for admissions and for public use?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: CHI was allocated a project budget of €300 million. Does that include the commissioning element?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: In terms of the experts CHI has engaged with and the procurement it has entered into, does it feel it will stay within that budget of €300 million to deliver the commissioning programme and have it fully operational?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: What are the estimated or predicted additional costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: It is important that we have an understanding in the Committee of Public Accounts in terms of what that figure could subsequently be.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: It is a very important figure on which we would like to have visibility if there are going to be cost overruns. CHI is before the Committee of Public Accounts. This has implications for the taxpayer and we are seeking information on that. I would ask that we get a note from CHI regarding the breakdown of costs.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: I will move on to Mr. Gunning with regard to the contract compliance programme that was submitted to the board by the contractor, BAM. It eventually got one in mid-July. Did the board have any concerns from the one that was submitted in July?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: What were the concerns?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: What changes?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Is Mr. Gunning happy and satisfied with the new programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Gunning is saying it can be-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Mr. Gunning is expecting 100% compliance with this new programme, and if not will there be-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Has the board implemented sanctions or penalties for any variance in the programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: We have seen delivery commitments time and time again and we have failed to achieve them. What is different with this programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: Again, that contract fell out of compliance in 2021 and we are in October 2023.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Alan Dillon: In 2021.