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Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I thank the Chairman and members. I am very pleased to be here to seek the committee's approval for the Revised and Further Revised Estimates for the justice Vote group. The Chairman will be aware that investment across all the areas of justice, home affairs and migration is significant. It reflects the commitment the Government set out in the programme for Government and what my...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: The first is the Garda Vote. I will give an overview and if members want to ask me questions, they may do so. We will go through the other Votes also. I am very pleased to say the gross allocation for the Garda Síochána Vote – Vote 20 – is €2.48 billion, which includes a very substantial capital allocation of €173 million. This funding allows for...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: Deputy Kelly's first question was on why the sergeant gave a letter of comfort in respect of the €160,000 worth of ammunition. As the Deputy is aware, I am not the person involved on a day-to-day basis in assessing what is going on in An Garda Síochána. However, he and I are aware that a protected disclosure has been made in respect of the issue that he raised as well as...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I am just telling the Deputy what the OPW has said to me. It resurveyed the 12 Garda stations and reviewed the updated report and register. It is satisfied that works were not necessary. The Deputy will be aware that,-----

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: Five times 225, yes. If we can get to those numbers, that is great and there will be no issue, but if we manage to get significantly more than that, we will have to look at other areas. The type of thing we will be looking at is not setting up some other college in the other part of Tipperary. We would maybe look to see if any of the technological universities might be able to provide some...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I did not say there will be. I said we are going to look. Hopefully, if we reach a situation-----

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I know, but let me finish. If there is a situation that we are only getting 800 people into Templemore per annum, it is not going to be an issue, but we have to be adventurous for the future. If it is the case that we are going to attract numbers that Templemore simply cannot deal with, of course we are going to have to look at that. The Deputy also raised the issue of subsistence and...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: The Deputy also asked about the chemical, biological and nuclear assessment. I get updates from the Garda Commissioner quarterly. I get security briefings frequently in respect of the threats to Ireland. I regret to say that the threats are there, as the Deputy will appreciate, but I have confidence in An Garda Síochána in terms of what it is doing and the manner in which it...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I will send him out a consistent invitation. I do not know if it is the Minister for justice who invites-----

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: Actually, the Chairman should come down to some attestation. It is a great family occasion and one realises the pride people have in An Garda Síochána. I hope Deputy Kelly will be at the next one.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: I do not know if I send the invitation. I cannot guarantee I will be giving the Deputy speaking rights there, but he will be more than welcome to come down.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: The Chair would be asking why they are not in Cavan-Monaghan.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: Deputy Kelly would be asking why they are not in Tipperary. Deputy Brabazon would be looking for them in Dublin Bay North. The way I approach it is, the Garda has to be given its own parameters to determine where it sees the threat as being.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: Is the Deputy talking about the 6,700 that-----

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Jim O'Callaghan: There is not a huge difference in terms of the numbers that go in and the numbers that come out. We got 200 pupils in at the last recruitment. We need to be pulling in 200 each time a batch starts at Templemore. We are only going to do four this year. There can be five tranches per year in Templemore. I want to see five tranches of 200.

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