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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: On accounts submitted, I want to raise one other issue. This week, the Comptroller and Auditor General published his special report No. 99 on public sector financial reporting for 2015. I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General for his work. Briefly, there are 224 semi-State, health, education, and North-South agencies with a turnover of €43.7 billion. We are not talking about...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am speaking of 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: There is still a handful.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am referring to the 2015 accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am taking it step by step. For 2015, there is a handful still outstanding, and some of them are the education and training boards, ETBs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are going to get that now. I expect it will be that there were complications. However, despite all the excuses up to now, we consider that they have failed to meet their duties and we want them to account for their failures regarding the 2015 accounts, and not with some soft explanation. We will be writing to them saying that we want them carried out immediately. Next week, we will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The meeting next week is with the Department of Education and Skills, and the principal offenders are under the remit of that Department. The majority of them are in the third level education sector-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will ask for that next week-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----at the beginning of the meeting. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are the gatekeepers

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Great.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are the deadlines specified legally?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Before we issue those letters we will make sure that what we say is in synch with what the Comptroller and Auditor General has already issued and we might move it on another month or so.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is normally three months.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will ensure the letters tie in with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: To conclude, I understand what the Deputies are saying on that. What I have outlined is step one. We have to get to step one before we talk about what happens if they do not take that step early in the spring. Two important points to highlight: several of the key offenders are in the education sector. The Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills will be here next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are going to ask him how he gave out money to organisations in 2016 and 2017, and he is probably preparing an Estimate to give them money for 2018, without seeing the accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: At the start of the meeting we will be putting the Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills in the hot seat for sanctioning estimates and expenditure year in year out when he has not seen the previous year's audited accounts. The second point: there were only a couple of us here at the end of the last meeting with the Health Service Executive, HSE, and it was one of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the Deputy mean the Committee of Public Accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: We dealt with that the last day. Deputy Deering has joined the committee.

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