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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is posing a question. She is not making a conclusion.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy is posing a question.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Deputy, to be fair Mr. Ashe's relation is not here now.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The witness will have retired by then.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: From retirement?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Has the witness got that advice in writing?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I have two quick questions for two people here. Has Dr. Thorn put this in writing to anybody?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I want to ask the Comptroller and Auditor General a question on the terms of reference. In the course of the audit by the Comptroller and Auditor General of the Kildare and Wicklow ETB's financial statement 2015, which is ongoing, the Comptroller brought a number of issues to the attention of the Department of Education and Skills. Perhaps he could explain it to me. When the Comptroller...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is not in dispute. The question is that the Comptroller and Auditor General was conducting an audit of the Kildare and Wicklow ETB and he chose to go outside of that relationship to a third party, the Department of Education and Skills, in relation to an audit that was ongoing. That is my question. I know the Department has a right, but is it normal when conducting an audit of an...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: SOLAS is a significant funder of the ETB. We discussed that this morning. In the latest year for which information is available, SOLAS gave €26 million. It is a significant funder of the ETB so why did the Comptroller and Auditor General not go to SOLAS as a funder if he went to the Department as a funder? I am seeking to understand how it was initiated. Mr. Ruttle said he wrote...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Comptroller and Auditor General has indicated that he wrote to Mr. Ruttle on this issue. Can he elaborate on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The ETB contacted the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am trying to get the sequence. I inferred from his remark that he referred the matter to the Department, but that was afterwards. Mr. Ó Foghlú or whoever else in the Department was involved might give us the sequence of how this commenced.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: No. 3 in the terms of reference states that the investigation may encompass matters prior to 2015, so it could have an impact on the statements before us today for 2013 and 2014. This investigation can examine 2013.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: There may be concerns about the 2014 accounts, which have been signed off already, as a result of this investigation. Mr. Ó Foghlú may have provided for that in the terms of reference.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Ruttle happy that the investigation is proceeding?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: The European Anti-Fraud office was as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Seán Fleming: When was this?

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