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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: Maybe I could be more helpful. There are two organisations, Turas Nua and Seetec. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: There was €71.2 million spent between July 2015 and September 2017. Is Mr. McKeon in a position to give us a breakdown as to how much went to Turas Nua and how much went to Seetec?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: This is not about protecting the State or about the precise breakdown of expenditure. An amount of money was given to Turas Nua. Mr. McKeon signed the cheque. We had a discussion on RTÉ recently. At least we know how much money was given to it.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I am not asking that; I am just asking about the overall amount given to Turas Nua. I am asking about the cheque Mr. McKeon signed for the time period. How can he not give us that?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: It is not.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I do understand that. What I am saying is that we are today at a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts. The Accounting Officer is here. We have two organisations that get very significant amounts of money from the State and we are not even in a position to know how much taxpayers' money is given to them. That is unbelievable.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I am not interested in the overall programme. I am a public representative and I get paid a salary. People know what I get. We know exactly how much is given to each organisation. I only gave the example of RTÉ because we know that €170 million is given to that organisation. We do not have to go into the precise details of how that money is spent, but we at least know the...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I want to get a legal opinion on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I will park and leave that now because other members want to get in.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: By the way, my frustration is not with Mr. McKeon personally but with the process. I have a job to do and if I cannot get basic information, I cannot do it and that is a source of frustration.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: I will not take ten minutes, only three or four. The caveat to my questions is that the Secretary General and his colleagues have been exemplary in their presentation of the accounts and answering of questions. That is worth noting because it is not always the case. I am happy to put it on the record. When I put my questions on JobPath, I understand that Mr. McKeon was not refusing to...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: The two organisations are Turas Nua and Seetec.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: The total number of initial payments was 131,986, or something like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: These are the figures that I received from a parliamentary question, so I am assuming that they are correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: If €71.2 million had been paid out to the two organisations, I asked whether Mr. McKeon could give me a breakdown of how much Turas Nua and Seetec got, but he said that that would be difficult to do for reasons of commercial sensitivity. The problem is that each of these organisations can easily work out what the other got. Turas Nua and Seetec will now be aware of the €71.2...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: That reinforces why Mr. McKeon can give us the figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund
(7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: It reinforces it because it is very difficult. All I am looking for is the gross figure. I am not looking for a detailed breakdown. I ask for the gross figure for both organisations.

Written Answers — Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Fishing Licences (7 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: 174. To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine his plans to issue permits for the harvesting of cockles on the Backstrand in Tramore, County Waterford; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [52400/17]

Neurological Services: Motion [Private Members] (6 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: It is estimated that between 10,000 and 13,000 people survive and live with a brain injury each year. People with acquired brain injuries are the largest users of neurorehabilitation services in Ireland, yet these services are severely underfunded. According to the organisation Acquired Brain Injury Ireland, neurorehabilitation enables people with a brain injury to recover and relearn...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Schools Building Projects Status (6 Dec 2017)

David Cullinane: 60. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills when he expects the process surrounding the application made by a school (details supplied) for a proposed building project to be complete; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [51815/17]

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