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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: Are we not waiting for the responses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I need clarification on a couple of points.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I thank Mr. Downes for the opening statement. In it, it is stated that IDA Ireland does not support companies linked to the occupied territories. How are those companies identified? I would like a response in order to facilitate follow-on questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I need clarification on that question before I can ask my follow-up question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I am happy if our guests can answer Senator Higgins’s questions now because they will inform the subsequent questions the rest of us will ask.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: For now, and then if we need to come back after-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I have a feeling that Mr. Downes will be very efficient in his responses and we will all get an opportunity to come in at some point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I will revert back to the previous question I asked. Mr. Downes said in his opening statement that IDA Ireland does not support companies linked to the occupied territories. How are those companies linked to the occupied territories?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: He may have missed. Mr. Hughes is essentially talking about elaborate Google searches, but there is also another way the IDA uses to identify companies that may be linked to the occupied territories. Is that not correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: It would be aware. It does not, therefore, give it any other prominence than just being aware of it. It is one of a number of aspects instead of a critical aspect. Is that what Mr. Hughes is saying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: For a bizarre reason we have never fully got to the bottom of, IDA Ireland engaged in a tender process for an Israel-based business development consultant as recently as last October. That process was finally abandoned. To allay concerns that were legitimately raised about that process, we received an assurance in the Dáil that the IDA would not target any Israeli company included in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: Why did Mr. Hughes’s Department, in response to a parliamentary question prior to this pre-legislative scrutiny meeting, set out the database of enterprises published by the UN as the critical deciding factor in what an IDA business development consultant would do when it was not even mentioned in his initial response today as one of the factors that would be taken into the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: To clarify, it was a very general parliamentary question on the business development consultant proposal. It was the Department that cited the UN database in response. The database was not referenced in the question. It was provided as an assurance, presumably on the basis that the database had important credibility in determining whether companies were linked to and profiting from the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I thank Mr. Hughes. Mr. Downes stated: "...exports from occupied Palestinian territories do not benefit from preferential treatment". Either he or Mr. Hughes might elaborate on how we can be assured that exports from occupied territories are not benefiting from the preferential treatment that the associated agreement provides.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: Is Mr. Downes aware of whether there are any?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: I thank Mr. Downes. I will move on to the issue of dual-use product applications, which are dealt with by the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment. These are products that could have a military capability. The witnesses have cited a couple of examples. There were 32 applications for authorisation under the Control of Exports Act last year. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Illegal Israeli Settlements Divestment Bill 2023: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Apr 2024)

Matt Carthy: What percentage of those applications were approved by the Department?

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