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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The ETB has therefore made, after a very ropey start-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are certainly not making excuses or allowances, but it was the start of the three counties coming together. Yes, the ETB had difficulty, and it is a tale of woe to read the audit opinion on it. There is no point in saying it any other way, is there?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is the reason we had the four different ETBs here before Christmas with the Department. I think it was a very useful exchange from everybody's point of view. We had SOLAS here as well, whose representatives I commend. They carried themselves very well that day. Arising from what we have seen in the education sector and the special reports about the timeliness, that is the sole reason...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is having an effect. I hear them giving out about me. Next is Limerick and Clare ETB, in respect of which there was a clear audit opinion. Attention is drawn to suspected fraud estimated at €148,000. I presume that is with the Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Attention is further drawn to weakness in the board's control over post-leaving certificate numbers and delays in preparation of the financial statements. Waterford and Wexford ETB's 2016 accounts received a clear audit opinion. Attention is drawn to a material level - €836,000 - of non-compliance with national procurement rules in respect of contracts that operated in 2016. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: That includes Kildare and Wicklow ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are whittling them down but we are still going to watch the matter carefully. The next one is City of Dublin ETB. It received a clear audit opinion, but attention is drawn to a material level of non-compliance with national procurement rules, and the late review of the effectiveness of internal controls. Galway and Roscommon ETB received a clear audit opinion, but attention is drawn...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: When we see, for example, the figure of €894,000, that is not just an audit sample. It would be hoped it is the full picture.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Which figure does the Comptroller and Auditor General include here, his sample or what the ETB identifies?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: In other words, in this case-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It could be multiples of this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. McCarthy to do the committee a favour. Will he write a note to us on this issue and how it works from his point of view? We regularly hear about this "non-compliance with national procurement rules", and it is emerging that, while the figures often seem massive, they might not even be the complete figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. McCarthy write us an information note on the system? Sometimes it is complete, but then internal audit should be doing a report each year-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----for him to review as part of his audit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The HSE is so big, that is all that the office can do.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do not mean to be flippant but sometimes when we see the HSE's report, the figures in there are hit and miss depending on the system.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is on our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will come to that on the work programme. Deputy Connolly reminded me that I skipped over the Kerry ETB financial statement, which has a clear audit opinion. Again, it has a material level €1.1 million of non-compliance with national procurement rules in respect of goods and services. The next item is the Institute of Technology, Tralee. It has a clear audit opinion. Attention...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2018)

Seán Fleming: The college is catching up.

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