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Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: -----if it may be guilty of the same thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I will play a second clip, which further illustrates what Mr. Boucher-Hayes says is the extent of the problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The final clip I would like to play features Mr. Boucher-Hayes interviewing Mr. Dooley of the National Union of Journalists. Ms Forbes has said that she wants to talk to the unions as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is clear from these clips from one of RTÉ's own programmes, which was based on research done by of its own employees, that the individual in question is of the view that there is a problem. I have spoken to people who say there is a problem as well. As there are consequences in terms of PRSI contributions, which are different for the self-employed, there may well be a cost to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The employees on these contracts, those who spoke to Mr. Boucher-Hayes and those who are concerned would say that a review is all well and great, and might well show up that there is a greater use of these self-employment contracts and that people are more likely to be described as contractors, but they want to know whether all of this is going to change. Is the review simply a fact-finding...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: For some-----

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I ask the Chair to put me down for a second round of questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Cusack is right when she says there are people who find being a contractor very lucrative. Most of the ten most highly paid people in RTÉ are on contracts and are paid through companies. I have raised this previously with the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. When these companies are established, the person is not paid directly. The company is paid. After the person...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: How many of them are paid through companies? That was the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: What was the average income of the 81 companies?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Many of them would be well paid. This is public information. The figure for Tuttle Productions, in the name of Ryan Tubridy, was €495,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: What Next Productions, Montrose Solutions Limited, Marian Finucane - €295,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not talking about the 472. As Ms Forbes knows, I am talking about those who are being paid through companies and what the average would be on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It was €300,000. That is fine but, with respect, Ms Forbes has been able to give me an average for the 472. I am asking her for an average of the 30 - what was the number?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: What is the average amount paid to those companies?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Forbes has the figure for the 472.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I would imagine the figure is fairly high. Based on what I can see here, it is mostly very well-paid people who avail of this service. That is the contrast, if I may make one final point. Those employees are very well paid and can establish companies. I will not suggest why it is attractive to set up those companies; people can make up their own minds and then there are others who claim...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I would say the range would be weighted towards the higher end, that there would be a small number getting a fair chunk of that. Ms Forbes might come back to us with the range. It might be useful to see and we can make up our own minds then as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The Chair has my name down to come back again.

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