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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I have a proposal that we meet next Thursday with the HSE, the officials who have responsibility for CervicalCheck and the State Claims Agency.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Can we defer our meeting with the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The secretariat can take guidance from us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: This is our committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: As worthy as those issues are, they are not life and death matters.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes. We must prioritise these issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Have we not agreed to write to the agency and HSE inviting them to attend next Thursday?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am not sure there is a level of coherence surrounding the third level education issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Will we receive it in advance?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I welcome Ms Forbes and her team. It is good to see a healthy gender balance in her delegation. I think this is the first time that RTÉ has been before the Committee on Public Accounts. My first question is to the clerk to the committee. Was a note sent to RTÉ in advance of this meeting that set out the issues we wanted RTÉ to address and is there a copy of that to hand?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Perhaps the clerk knows in general terms what issues we flagged up that we might want to address?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Employment contracts was one of the key issues, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I do not see it anywhere in Ms Forbes's opening statement. She mentioned how RTÉ operates as an employer in one line but I do not see much otherwise on employment rights and contracts and those issues in her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I know there is a briefing note but when a witness comes before the Committee on Public Accounts, it is in public session. The people who are watching, the public who we represent, do not have those briefing notes. They will only have or can see what Ms Forbes read out, her opening statement. It is all very wonderful that she has alerted the committee to her concerns about the licence fee,...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: In percentage terms, how much of overall expenditure comes from the taxpayer?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: So it is quite substantial?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: But RTÉ is not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Ms Forbes might answer what the relationship is between the Department and RTÉ? Is there a service level agreement for the €170 million? What is the mechanism which ensures that RTÉ is accountable? Ms Forbes is not an Accounting Officer to the people in this room and we are the representatives of the public. What is the accounting relationship between the Department and...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Can Ms Forbes clarify the difference between an oversight agreement and a service level agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is what the oversight agreement does. I understand that. However, what is the difference between the oversight agreement and what would be a service level agreement, which normally would be in that type of relationship especially when there is significant funding? There could be a very substantial service level agreement. The HSE, for example, would operate them with organisations.

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