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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I made a proposal that the committee would do a special report on PPPs. Has this proposal been accepted or is a decision still to be made on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I note that we will also write to the Minister to make the point. The difficulty is the clause in the licence. The Chairman is right that these issues were flagged well in advance of any licence agreement being put in place. We will do a periodic report. This is one issue that should be flagged as a potential flaw in the agreement made. I do not know how long the licence runs for but...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Unfortunately we are not long into a 20-year licence and there is nothing we can do.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: We could also ask whether or not clause 20.6.1 intended that this information would remain confidential.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: How helpful has this been to the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General? Is he saying that if he does not get them in, he cannot prepare the audit for this year?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is my point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is working.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is making the work of the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General easier?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: We might need to get the Comptroller and Auditor General more staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is very difficult for this committee to talk about any of these issues. Our job is to examine systems, practices and procedures and costs to the State. I am conscious that the most important issue is the cost to the women involved, of which we are all aware and conscious. We have a specific role in that regard. It might seem cold to people listening, but we can and have to examine...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Senator Reilly?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: We can only tie our own hands. We have a very clear remit and we should do stay within that but I completely agree with Teachta Farrell that we should not trespass on the work of any other committee's remit. With regard to the sectoral committees, the Minister for Health is responsible to the Joint Committee on Health and the Accounting Officer is responsible to the Committee of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: We should have a two-pronged approach. I recommend that we do it next Thursday if we can, not with standing whatever else we have to do, because of the importance of this matter. Second, irrespective of what the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach does - good luck to it, it has its role - we have a wider remit and we should invite in the State Claims...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: When one reads the circular and juxtaposes it with how Vicky Phelan has been treated-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: -----it does not sit well with me. We need to notify the State Claims Agency that we want meet with it. Second is the obvious failures in the systems, practices and procedures that date right back to the outsourcing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is a matter for the HSE and all of the officials who have knowledge of and responsibility for that. There are many issues and we should arrange a meeting with the State Claims Agency Many and the HSE, either a morning or an afternoon session. I want both of the entities to attend, in terms of our remit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Other committees will do their work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The Dáil will do its work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

David Cullinane: There will be statements, parliamentary questions and topical issues. The Committee of Public Accounts has its remit and if we stick with that then we will be doing our job.

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