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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is in all our interests that people come to Ireland Inc., regardless of where they land but yes, we should be trying to spread it better than we do at the moment. My concern is that the board of DAA - and Mr. Jacobs is the chief executive who presenting to and dealing with the board - is really not looking beyond 40 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is, more or less, a two-year process, excluding objections. Is December 2025 the earliest the DAA can get that permission?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: They are all announced. They all were not in last year's figures. They all will be in next year's figures, plus population growth. I am wondering why Mr. Jacobs thinks demand next year will not go up similar to what it did this year with all these extra airlines, all these extra flights, plus Ryanair's ability to drop aircraft one place or the other. If Dublin had the capacity, I am sure...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Even though I am in the Chair, I will not manipulate the time. I will make two points, and I might come back in later if we have time. On the private jet issue, in terms of numbers, I do not see why the DAA would be cutting that off. It is minimal. Twenty jets would probably be the size of a flight from Donegal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: My final point is on public transport access. I know people who have posted on Twitter or X, whatever it is called, who were trying to get the Aircoach at 4 a.m. They dropped their daughter down to the Talbot Hotel in Stillorgan at 4 a.m. and the bus driver said that the service was pre-book only, the bus was full and they should get a cab. Equally, as Mr. Jacobs will be aware, people post...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Mr. Jacobs for all of that. We wish him well in all the DAA's future developments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I will bring Deputy Kenny back in later if there is time but I am conscious of the time available given so many members are offering. I call Deputy Lowry. I know he experienced a delay but it is great that he made it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Poor Noel Dempsey was the Minister at the time and he was getting awful abuse about it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We had a briefing from the Department of Transport on the capacity constraint. It is not really about the buildings. Mr. Jacobs referred earlier to the building now being different from what it was in 2008 because we now do self-check-ins, bag drop and all the other things we used to have to queue for, which people can now do at home, whether by printing their boarding pass, having it on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Car parking as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I am being somewhat critical but it is to complement the recent announcement that Air Canada is increasing its service by 50%. JetBlue is coming in. American Airlines has increased by 144%. WestJet is flying to Halifax. All this new business is coming in. The DAA is saying it is not really encouraging these people. It seems they are coming anyway or else the DAA is encouraging them. It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The buildings themselves could handle 40 million or 50 million people, but that is not the issue. It is about getting them onto the campus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: With the additions the DAA is applying for, however, the building could handle more than 40 million. It is about getting them into and out of the campus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The point is the buildings could handle more. If the DAA gets permission, when all these new buildings are built, then the airport could probably handle more than 40 million. It is about making sure of the ability to get those 40 million people on and off the campus.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It does not affect the cap either.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Sorry, but Mr. Jacobs said that the DAA will not get planning permission for two years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA cannot build anything until it gets permission.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: If the planning permission were granted, would it raise the cap immediately or from the time the buildings were built?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is it once you start or complete the work?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: You are not allowed to make charges against anyone who is not here to defend themselves.

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