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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We know where that is heading. We have almost completed our consideration of this. There is a point we would be very remiss not to address. The witness has given us those answers directly and in an upfront fashion, which is great. It will save him the bother of coming back to us. When the report was compiled, the percentage of taxpayers who paid online was 67%. It is now 74% and is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: How much extra does it cost a motorist to pay his or her taxes by the quarter? Let us consider the older and bigger cars. If there is a €10 processing cost per transaction, it probably costs more to pay taxes three or four times a year than it does to settle them once a year. We are informed that 75% of people are paying online and that the cost of the transaction is €5. Can...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: What is that as a sum of money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: No pre-2008 car is taxed at €100. An amount of €1,000 would be closer to the mark.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Not only do we levy a poverty tax from people who cannot afford to change their cars, we are now ripping off the poor. The witness is saying that if he or she is liable to pay €1,000 in tax on an old car, a motorist is charged approximately €280 extra to pay by the quarter. If he or she pays online, the cost per transaction is €5. As such, the actual cost to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witness to go through that again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: How much extra is the Department charging on €250 per quarter?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Scully has just told me that it only costs €5 to process the transaction online, but the Department is charging €35. This is the point at which I am getting. If a person whose tax is €1,000 can pay in one instalment, it is €1,000. If he or she has to pay it four times per annum-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----he or she pays an extra €120 because he or she cannot afford to do it upfront and cannot afford a new car. Mr. Scully has just told me that 75% of people pay online, for which the administrative cost per transaction is €5. If a person pays online four times a year, the cost to the Department in administrative terms is €20. However, people are being charged...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witnesses to provide a table.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Some 865,000 of those are old.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: They are pre-2008 cars.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask our guests to prepare that note. I am absolutely confident that all the information is available in the Department. I tabled parliamentary questions on this matter last year when I saw the report last year. I sought information on the age of cars and the Department had it. I ask that our guests provide an update to the committee as opposed to me, Deputy Sean Fleming. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 8: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Local Government Fund Financial Statement 2016
Special Report No. 97 of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Administration and Collection of Motor Taxes
(8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, that would phenomenally complicated. I request the age profile of the cars on the road on one sheet of paper. On a separate sheet of paper, I would like a chart showing what it costs a person to tax the old cars that were 1,000 cc, 1,100 cc and so on, on a single transaction basis, a six-monthly basis or four transactions per year. This should also list the extra costs motorists have...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are dealing with Vote 34 - Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government. We are again joined by Mr. John McCarthy, Secretary General, and officials from his Department, namely, Ms Maria Graham, Ms Mary Hurley, Mr. David Walsh, Mr. Maurice Coughlan, Ms Nina Murray, Ms Theresa Donohue, Ms Janet Jacobs. We are joined from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform by...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Can I clarify a matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Secretary General has used the term "capital assistance scheme". People here who work in the system will understand the term but I ask him to explain what it means for the benefit of the viewers and the public.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank the Secretary General. Deputy Farrell, I am sorry for the interruption.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Peter Burke is next.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 34: Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (8 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have raised this issue by way of parliamentary question and received zero answer on it. The issue is as follows and it relates to the current mortgage-to-rent scheme. A pilot scheme was being looked at after the last mortgage-to-rent scheme was up and running. At the end of the pilot scheme, they will do a handful and in another year they might roll out some more. Ms Murray has answered...

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