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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We often get glimpses of internal audit reports and I have mixed views on the quality of some. Some are great on specific detail but miss the elephant in the room, which is a phrase I have used before. How many internal audit reports are there? Perhaps the committee should, as a matter of form, ask bodies appearing before it on an annual basis for the schedules of internal audit reports....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Although we do not have time to read every internal audit report, it would be useful for us to have the schedule or the listing. Whether they did 20, 30 or 40, we should have the list of which were done------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: ------because we have never had that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: For now, we will seek a copy of that report from the HSE and discuss it further when it is received. Representatives of the HSE will appear before the committee before the summer is out in any event. The next item is No. 1169 from David Begg, chairperson of the Pensions Authority, enclosing a note requested by the committee on the CIÉ pension scheme for regular wages staff. We note...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: A similar issue. It is not the same but it is similar. I do not think this correspondence was sent by the individual who was previously in contact with us on this issue. There is a significant document-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Can we hold it over until the next meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: I would like to read and consider it before the next meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: If that is the case, members need to read it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will that form part of Mr. McCarthy's annual report?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: In any event, we will hold the document over. It is substantial and if members read it we will be able to have a more detailed discussion on it at the next meeting and then decide what action to take, if we wish to take action. The next item is No. 1175 from an individual in regard to AIB and his treatment in respect of his tracker mortgage. We have not circulated the item as it contains...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Did we deal------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: It got away from us. That is the 2016------

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will note the clear audit opinion that is laid before the Oireachtas. The next item is the Legal Aid Board. There is a clear audit opinion but the board incurred material expenditure where the relevant goods and services were not procured by way of competitive process. Here we go again.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: The version laid before the Oireachtas is not the version that the Comptroller and Auditor General certified.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Was it an earlier draft that was submitted or did-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: This raises an issue. When the Comptroller and Auditor General conducts an audit, he gives the body a certificate, but it is up to the body to print the report using his information. Sometimes,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----something incorrect appears in what is published even though the Comptroller and Auditor General did not sign off on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Given that the Comptroller and Auditor General became aware of this, can we ask him to come back to the committee? Normally we would write to the board directly but because you have spotted this issue in respect of the board, you might follow up on it and come back to us. Or will they have to lay a fresh set of accounts before the Oireachtas?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Should we write directly or should we ask you to follow up on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Seán Fleming: Were they aware of this?

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