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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Right.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I thank the Deputy. I want to bring this issue to a conclusion. I call Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank the Deputy. I have listened to Deputy MacSharry. We have the letter from Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú, which will be published and put on the public record. I will make a few observations. First, I agree with the Deputies. I do not intend to meet the Secretary General to discuss the particular issue as I accept it is a broader issue for the committee. We must acknowledge...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: There was innuendo that the incompetence may have been due, in some way, to the contract manager. However, it might have been due to the contractor, who has to go and fix it. It was not established as to who was incompetent.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is up to me to stop-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: I take the point the Deputy makes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: He does say in his last line that he would like to request that I would make sure that at future meetings he is not placed in an unfair position again. He feels that it was unfair to the extent that I did stop the conversation. As Chairman, I will be more strict. I will require two things. I will want witnesses to answer questions but I will also want committee members to treat witnesses...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Did he?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: He said he was not at that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay, fine. We will not reopen that matter now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Members will have to bear with me now because I need to read one page from a letter that came in to us because it is central to the issue at hand. We have discussed this PPP contract manager situation at length and I must put this on the public record in the interests of fairness. I am now going to read from a letter that was sent to this committee on 10 June 2014 and resent to us last...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Very briefly, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: We know that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is no suggestion-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. Fine. I am proposing two things. As Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, of course I am not responding to that. I am making it very clear that as Chairman of this committee and as an elected Deputy, I meet Secretaries General who happen to be Accounting Officers as part of the normal course of my business. I am not being restricted from doing my normal work. I will not be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: There is zero prospect of that. As Chairman, I have to point out that the Accounting Officer is obliged to come here. He is normally accompanied by several members of staff to assist him. None of those staff is obliged to come here. The only person who is obliged to come here is the Accounting Officer. I have seen some of the more junior staff members who have presented here, having been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: The directors are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Apr 2018)

Seán Fleming: There are five or six ladies among the 18 directors who are listed. I am not sure of one of the names.

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