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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: The Deputy can transfer the two minutes to Deputy Daly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: Sorry, I do not think I can allow that question because, as I understand it, there is ongoing litigation with regard to the publication in question. There is also an entity being referenced that is not represented in the room, which would fly in the face of our normal rules. Unfortunately, I do not think that question is permissible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: The Commissioner might want to make a general comment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: We have just about concluded this session on time. I remind members that we are back in 15 minutes for part two. I thank all the witnesses across the spectrum who contributed. It was a very valuable hearing. I thank them all for their time, contributions and inputs. They were very valuable. Is it agreed that we publish the opening statements to the committee website? Agreed. We will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: We are resuming our engagement on the general scheme of the An Garda Síochána (recording devices) (amendment) Bill. We invite those witnesses joining us online to log in. They may take a minute to do whatever they need to do. If the witnesses are online, we are trying to get them connected. They might be able to hear us but not see us. We are working on it. I welcome our...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I am sorry to interrupt-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I did not mean to come to such an abrupt conclusion but I was going to ask Dr. Lynch to wrap up. She is over time. I apologise. She will get in again afterwards.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I call Professor Kaye. If I need to, I will remind witnesses of the time limit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I thank the Professor. As with all the witnesses, it is great to have such a depth of expertise in the room. Dr. Bracken-Roche has the floor for the next few minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: It is all good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: We are over time. Dr. Bracken-Roche was finishing anyway. I thank her for the contribution. I thank all our distinguished guests. I will move to the members. All members present are offering. I will call on Senator Ruane first, followed by Deputy Daly and Deputy Pringle. Deputy Alan Farrell and some others may wish to come in at that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I see a few hands raised on the screen. I will call on Dr. Bracken-Roche first, Dr. Birhane second and Dr. Lynch third.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Birhane. Because this is the first question and it has got people talking I will continue with the answers before I move on to the next member.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Murray.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I thank the witnesses for their very useful observations. I let this round run a little longer than usual because a number of contributors were making responses for the first time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: One of the witnesses said that this is an opportunity for Ireland to be an exemplar of best practice by putting in place a robust framework for the use of the technology. To play devil's advocate, would I be right in saying that it could have been introduced without legislating at all and that perhaps this could have been rolled out as a technique within law enforcement without any such...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: Was that a ruling of a court or is it an ongoing matter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: Was that in Canada?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I ask Dr. Birhane to take that question, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: General Scheme of the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) (Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Feb 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Dr. Birhane. I invite Dr. Murray to speak next, please.

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