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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: When will that be in place?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Will they be published?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: We need one for contractors as well because we know one of the difficulties is between people who are directly employed by RTÉ and contractors. We need to know any of those who have contractual relationships; they need to be included.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I wish to thank Ms O'Keeffe in particular. In fairness, I appreciate that she is not obliged to appear before the committee. I find her statement quite comprehensive and it has been of help to the committee. She made it clear that she was aware - I refer back to questions that I put last week as well - of Ryan Tubridy's contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: When Ms O'Keeffe did the crossover with Mr. Collins, who succeeded her as CFO, for a point of clarity, he would have been aware of the detail of that contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I am concerned because Mr. Collins informed me last week-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I totally appreciate that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I appreciate that but I am looking at Mr. Lynch's direct answers to my questions last week. I asked who was in the room with Noel Kelly and he made clear that the CFO, somebody from the legal department and the director general were in the room for the negotiations with Noel Kelly at all times. I wish to ask Ms O'Keeffe whether it is correct that at all times in the negotiations with Noel...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Okay. I appreciate-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I am assuming it is fair to say that as part of a process like this, Ms O'Keeffe as the CFO, along with the head of legal, because somebody obviously is-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Yes, the RTÉ solicitor would be aware as well as the director general. Was there anybody else aware of the contract, as far as Ms O'Keeffe knew at the time?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: The original negotiation for the Ryan Tubridy contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: So Jim Jennings would have been aware of some of the detail as well, particularly with regard to the Renault deal.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Would he have raised it with the executive board at the time? Did Jim Jennings bring up the Renault deal at the executive board level at any stage?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who would have known about that, within that smaller group?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: The Renault deal. I suppose that is what we are looking at.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: They would all have been aware.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: What we are getting to here is around the levels of knowledge of the original contract and who knew what. That is why I asked very specific questions around who was in the room and who knew. This is part of the problem - it clearly seems that people did not speak to each other around elements of the deal. I wish to come back to Mr. Collins. When I put the question to him, and I...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: If his predecessor, as chief financial officer, who knew some of the detail, spoke about this, would Mr. Collins not have asked some of the questions?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Everyone remembers what was happening in Covid. We remember that people from RTÉ came before this committee and the Government gave significant wage supports to RTÉ. The difficulty we have is that we were misled at the time around some of the financial arrangements. The wage subsidies were about trying to protect employment. People were taking salary cuts and yet, arguably - I...

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