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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: I understand where the Deputy is coming from, but as I said, we always look to buy these buildings if they come up as deals and it is possible to buy them, and we always will, but it is all about capital at the end of the day and whether it is available at the time. This is also about getting the building. When we talk about the project the Deputy mentioned, four different Departments will...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: I could say the same for my constituency, but this is Dublin. We-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: I appreciate that, but the fit-out is included in the cost, too, and this does not come cheap.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: This issue has been in the news recently. In broad terms, these houses were built in the 1800s and it is no different from Bord an Móna or CIÉ having houses. The people in these houses work in the park and are a valuable part of the Phoenix Park. Two people in their late 70s and late 80s are living in those houses, but everyone living in them is paying rent. Many people have-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: No-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Rent is being paid in line with the income those people earn. They are earning a very modest income and part of the work-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: It is similar.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: No, it is not available to the public.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: We always look to do better with flood schemes. As the Deputy knows, though, schemes always change between when we announce them, get consent to build and then start on the ground. The whole complexity of a scheme and its delivery changes. Inflation also comes into play. There are many ifs and buts, but at the same time we are delivering in a lot of communities. I have travelled through...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: If the Deputy looks at what was included when that scheme was announced, he will see the number of properties being protected now is greater and this adds to the cost. The public realm part of the scheme, working through the local authorities - as we have on the project in the Deputy's constituency - also adds to the price.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: It will be €38 million.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: The design and delivery details are not known at the start. This is the main driver that puts up the cost of the flood schemes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: What people do not understand is it takes 11 years to get from the start of a scheme to the finish. That is practically the delivery time on a flood scheme. About 95% of the scheme is underground, so people do not see it, but that is the key to delivering protection of the homes. These schemes are challenging. As the Deputy is well aware, when a scheme starts and you start to dig,...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: I look at it all day long. As I said, my job is to protect communities up and down the country. I am not setting out to waste money deliberately. I go out to do the best job. When I meet members of communities who want different parts of a scheme to be dealt with, such as walls or different designs, we work with the local authorities and they drive these schemes from start to finish.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: There were 139 Garda stations closed in 2012 and 2013. Only 19 former Garda stations remain and all these are being prepared for disposal or lease.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2025.
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(2 Jul 2025)

Kevin Moran: Yes, we will forward that.

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