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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: You are actually out of time, but I will permit the witnesses to respond if they wish to do so. I do not know why you are directing questions towards the Chair or the committee, because we do not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is how all committees work in my experience, but in any event, Mr. Bruton wishes to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I will come back to Mr. O'Leary in a second. I will go to Ms Hennessy first because she has had her hand up for a minute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Mr. O'Leary wanted to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. O'Leary. Senator Martin was in the hot seat before he had to go to a vote and I said I would come back to him as soon as he returned. Now the Senator is back with us. The Senator has six minutes but I will reset the clock for him because he had to run out at the start.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank the Senator. Ms Hurley can come in, if she wants.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Ms Hurley. We have heard from all the committee members and we had started with the visitors. Senator Martin was excused because he had a vote and he came back in again. I call Senator Keogan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Ms Kenny has offered to respond to that question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: My apologies, Senator, but one voice at a time, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Are there any other comments on the operation of Eurodac from the witnesses? No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Ms Kenny can respond if she wishes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Is this question about action taken by the Minister in connection with the pact? Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is fine. I was just clarifying in order to keep things on track. Do we have any volunteers to take that question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Let us be clear now. What is the Senator referring to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is why I asked the question. The Senator referred to the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: If the Senator will just let me speak-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: -----I am sure he put multiple documents out. However, the Minister for Justice, Deputy McEntee, is sponsoring the pact. This committee does not have jurisdiction over what the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, may or may not do. I am trying to zoom in on the elements of what we have under discussion today in order to keep us on the right side of the debate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: There may well be.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That is as may be, but this is the Joint Committee on Justice. We consider issues relating to justice, legislation and proposals from the Minister for Justice and related matters. The Senator stated that she is not sure if it is in the pact or not. It is hard to answer a question about something in the abstract.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Yes, but the Senator said that she assumes that a proposal has been made.

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