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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: The funding comes through from the HEA for this. The HEA then transfers the funding to DIT. Then, DIT keeps a slice of it. DIT is a net beneficiary and DIT numbers go up. Then, DIT also pays this company with an office in Dublin €3 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is bizarre. Can the DIT representatives list the other organisations with which it has similar arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is incredible stuff. Let me repeat what I said. The HEA is paying DIT. What is the total amount that the HEA is paying DIT?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is no problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have no issues in respect of that. I know of other ways in which this is done, but I have never heard of it being done like this. The role of the Committee of Public Accounts is to account for taxpayers' money. Taxpayers' money is being paid by the HEA – we will get a figure. I want the specific figures in respect of this programme rather than the total amount. It may be lined...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is bizarre.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It counts for the DIT headcount on top of that. It is the only instance of it in the institute. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I get the gist of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is fair to say that if DIT is paying €3 million to this private company-----

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I want to find out how much DIT is putting into its own coffers in running the programme. The programme is run by BIMM and DIT is taking a slice off it for administration.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It would be very interesting, Dr. Love, to find out the funding percentage and then to break it down between BIMM and the Dublin Institute of Technology and what the money is used for. I accept what Dr. Noel O'Connor said but this is not normal. I would say the public is not privy to this and it needs to be looked into. In many ways it is creating a precedent. I ask the HEA whether we are...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I accept it will take time but will the HEA provide the Committee of Public Accounts with a breakdown of all examples of where this is happening and how much taxpayers' funding is going into it?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Committee of Public Accounts would like that information and we would then have other questions. I have a concern about public knowledge, transparency and how BIMM works. Obviously the majority are not aware of this scheme and we need to ensure that the way the funding is being passed through the HEA to the relevant colleges for these courses is transparent and that it is obvious what...

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: When the witnesses are back before the Committee of Public Accounts next year, will it be a different story?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Chairman, I would appreciate if I could have answers from the HEA on the macro issues that I have raised and the record will allow the witnesses to see the questions I asked. I would like the DIT to address the issue of BIMM and provide the answers within a week to the committee. I ask the clerk to the committee to come back to me with the answers.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fair enough.

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Garda College (6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: 83. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the details of communications, orally or written, her Department has had with An Garda Síochána on audit reports into Templemore Garda College. [17232/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Garda College (6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: 84. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality when her attention was first drawn to the audit report published on 29 March 2017 into Templemore Garda College. [17233/17]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Garda College (6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: 85. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality when the attention of her Department was first drawn to the audit report published 29 March 2017 into Templemore Garda College. [17234/17]

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