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Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Of course, and rightly so. It is an important area. I ask Professor Norton to list the organisations in question.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does DIT receive income for this?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: What is the net income or loss based on this programme? Is it €2 million? Basically I am asking whether DIT makes money on this.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not going to hold the DIT representatives to it. They can provide it to us later on.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Anyway, it is a profit. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Do the student numbers in BIMM count as DIT students for the purposes of the headcount?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does that mean DIT gets money from the HEA on the basis of the BIMM students being part of DIT?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Am I reading this right? DIT gets taxpayers' money from the HEA. DIT hands some of it over to BIMM. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Therefore, the taxpayer is subsidising payments to BIMM. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is to benefit a private UK company. Is that correct? BIMM is a private UK company.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is there not something alarmingly wrong with this?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: The HEA, which is funded by taxpayers of Ireland, is paying out money to DIT to pay a private company in Britain for students in DIT who are part of the DIT headcount. Is this the only example of such an arrangement in DIT?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That does not make it right. I think this is something we are going to have to look at.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: How much is BIMM paid every year by DIT? This is cash in and cash out. It is taxpayers' money.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: It goes to a private company in Britain.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know that. How much is DIT paying BIMM every year? I trust the deputation has that figure at least.

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is the figure per year. Is that correct? The HEA is paying DIT to pay a private company €3 million per year. DIT numbers are increased because it does this. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Dublin Institute of Technology: Financial Statement 2013-2014
Grangegorman Development Agency: Financial Statement 2015
(6 Apr 2017)

Alan Kelly: Let us follow the money. How many students are involved?

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