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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: One second, Commissioner; I will give you a chance. Go ahead, Mr. Ruane.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: So there was no change. Commissioner, let us consider of Mr. Barrett's evidence on the areas that reported to him. He found the structure to be the best way of doing things. He thought it was best practice and that the change was a retrograde step. I presume it was ultimately your decision, Commissioner. Why did that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It was September.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am asking a question. It was in September. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Sorry, will you finish? You were making an inference there. What was it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What was your inference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Your thinking is going a certain way, Commissioner. The reason for my line of questioning is that Mr. Barrett made a report in July 2015. His role changed in September 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: You have said that repeatedly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay, my last question is to the members of the force, in particular. Obviously, none of you were aware of anything before June 2015. I presume that on no occasion any of you enjoyed any benefits or hospitality or anything relating to Templemore during your time in the force that would have raised any issues with you. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I may come back in at the very end. Deputy Aylward, thank you for your patience.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I did not ask the Deputy to ask the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Do not worry, Deputy. I was going to raise the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Before Mr. Nugent interjects, I was going to say the following earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I thought it would be more appropriate to say the following at the end of this session but I will mention it now because the Deputy raised the matter. I represent Templemore. I know that the people of Templemore are of huge value to the Garda College and vice versa. Simply put, the facilities exist. The facilities are not being used by the Garda for obvious purposes. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent has been very honest for saying so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Deputy. Before Deputy Cullinane commences I urge everyone to be concise in the next round of questioning as Deputy Connolly wishes to comment. I thank the Commissioner for her comments, which are critically important. I welcome what she said about a meeting and agree that people feel nervous with everything that has happened. The college has a lot of facilities, which must...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In the interest of fairness, does Mr. Kelly feel it was multiple people or one person?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Nobody knew anything about financial irregularities before July 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: How was the Garda repaying the OPW if nobody knew anything before July 2015?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. I will summarise. Mr. Kelly accepts that there are issues and breaches here. The Commissioner accepts the report.

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